But that seems like what women want. Either that or to have a discussion and have everyone behave as their group of personal friends would behave if a comment was thrown out about their bra or whatever. As I’ve started, I don’t make those types of comments nor find them funny, but that’s a far cry form wanting to ban them. And tell me, why would a Red Tent forum not be a better place to discuss the topics like menopause, breastfeeding and the like. What’s the upside of having the discussion in mixed company. Do you not have things you talk about with your woman friends that you’re not apt to discuss in depth in mixed company?
And you did understand that women could choose to post in this Red Tent forum or not, right. I’m curious as to what you think would be the downside for you? How would the presence of that forum diminish your experience here?
Uh, yes it is the point (Gosh it really is fun to do the asinine UH thing because you think it makes your point right). Do you not see that you yourself are one of those people making sweeping generalizations about what is appropriate because you and your friends do it so it should be done here too? The board should be done THIS way because that’s how you and your friends handle your conversations? I didn’t bring that up, you did.
You’re curious why I said this isn’t a place of freedom of speech? Because in your comment I responded to you were saying that women wouldn’t talk about such a thing in a mixed gathering, they’d seek some private place. That’s YOUR experience with your friends who would make lewd comments. So because that’s your experience that’s the way it should be? Reread what you wrote. Because you consider this place to be like a gathering of your friends you believe women wouldn’t just talk about something medical in nature, they’d seek out privacy and a more serious context. What it feels like you’re insinuating is that because you see this place as a hangout it can’t have serious discussions. But you know that’s not right. There are serious discussions here all the time and about things you wouldn’t always see at a gathering. Religion, politics, etc. Why are those topics allowed to be serious and governed by the “don’t be a jerk” rule but a thread about breasts or periods can’t be governed the same way and need to taken to a more private place? The threads are usually marked so that people who can’t control their fingers know not to click on them.
I brought up no “authoritah” (Cartman is fun!) other than responding to your own presumptuous post where you are basically telling the hosts where the gathering is taking place that you don’t like the way they handle conversations at their party.
Look, everyone is entitled to give an opinion about the rules. That’s what this forum is for but at some point isn’t it better to give your opinion and then see how it shakes out since it’s so brand new or should we call for people to hide their conversations?
I agree we don’t need a women’s forum. I confess that I’m somewhat puzzled by the mysogyny moderating as well. I don’t like the whole “pics or it didn’t happen” on a mammogram thread thing, but I figure it just tells me who the jerks are so I don’t take anything they say seriously anymore.
I would like the ability to verbally dope-slap the morons that insist on saying stuff like that though, without having to take it to the pit.
And as I said, that was just one suggestion for the name of the forum. I actually quite like it now that I’ve thought about it a bit more, but I’m sure there are other equally good and better names.
From your own link: “The red tent is the place where women gathered during their cycles of birthing, menses, and even illness.” Fortunately, we live in a world now where women aren’t banished from civilized society while they are bleeding from their crotch each month so men don’t have to be around “unclean” women.
But you know that, I hope.
Oh, what the hell ever. Here we go again with this dismissive claptrap.
Gathered. In biblical times. It was a place of safety and privacy. Did you bother to look at the other links You know, in the spirit of the board’s tagline. Do you think the term is used the same way today? Who do you think has adopted the term for the times we live in? Men? Do you have any idea what it stands for now?
Oh, and I asked you to be specific. You relayed one factum. Surely a strong woman like yourself can do much better.
magellan01 and DiosaBellissima, drop the Red Tent discussion, please. We’re not making that forum and there’s no point in arguing about the imaginary name.
I don’t see why a “serious” forum is such a bad idea. It can be gender and topic neutral, but just a place where only serious conversation is allowed, and jokes of all kinds are not encouraged. It would allow MPSIMS to serve as the non-serious forum that it is, and also allow a place to discuss topics seriously that don’t quite fit in Great Debates.
But can we have a bit of clarification? Romanticizing a practice that was all about shunning “unclean” women who were “other” to protect men who could not help but soil themselves around “unclean” women. It’s not separating them to be safe or private, but to keep them away from all that is holy. :rolleyes:
I’ve been watching this thread and have been called to talk a little on it as well. I think that the rule is fair and the guidelines should exist if only because there are folks who think that every context in which nudity or [Og forbid!] accessories of a sexual nature is inherently sexual and thus should be commented on as if we’re having a discussion of a prurient nature. Protests to this are usually met with “but you’re just being hysterical!” as if it’s totally fine to be patronizing to someone when you completely derail their thread with unrelated and unhelpful commentary. I think we can come up with a distinct but fair medium, as I’ve been here over a decade and recall that, at one point, folks could have a mature discussion about things of a vague and/or potentially sexual nature without breaking out the “hurr, boobies!” or “I’d do him!” jokes and patronizing commentary. We’ve apparently grown past that point and with the increase in need for regulation, there’s a new rule.
I think the rules as outlined by EllenCherry are a superb first step but there does seem to be quite a bit of clarification coming to us down the pipe. Here are a few details that have occurred to me: Detail 1
Very good question. Here’s a direct quote. Under the proposed rules, if I were to be the respondent to the query, I’d be in a bucket full of trouble.
Question: " I think my roommate is having sex with his cats. Could you explain the biological reasons why cats can’t be impregnated by human beings? "
Answer: "For the same reason you can’t park a Cadillac in a closet, you bozo. "
Now, were I to be the one writing the Answer, it does appear there’d be heck to pay. Smart assed remarks involving female genitalia- of all species- are strictly off-limits if they are used in a supposedly humorous context. The Answer given is clearly meant to be humorous. So, who is the offending party here?
Someone asked about Slug Signorino’s illustrations. A perusal of the ones in the original set of books as well as others sprinkled throughout the SDMB do reveal a consistently disrespectful view of females. Under the new rules, one should reasonably expect all of these illustrations depicting females as half-clad women with funnels for brassieres to be expunged immediately. This is an illustration used IN a Straight Dope column. Answered by Cecil Adams. Published by Creative Loafing Atlanta.
In reading the three Rules, this illustration is so far out of the range of what would be considered acceptable for the SDMB that someone posting it within a thread would be quite likely to earn a Warning. Should we operate under the new guidelines that any illustration akin to this one is prohibited?
There is a phrase that is used with enough regularity that it has been listed in various threads as one of the common memes or phrases used on the SDMB. " Penis ensues " is the phrase. Cite 1
To avoid the inevitable “gotcha, Toons !”, I’ll freely admit that I’ve used this. Quite a few times. In the past. No more, however.
If I may, could I request an Administrative clarification on this: Is the phrase “penis ensues” no longer permitted to be used? Or, since it refers to male genitalia, is that completely permissible and not a part of the Rules? If it is not permitted to be used, please let the Teeming Millions know so we can avoid a Warning.
No, that’s not what I said. I made my post as a counter-example after pages of lecturing about how adults behave and what’s acceptable in public. It’s evidence to the contrary to the apparent assumption that the position you’re taking is universal except apparently here at the SDMB avant la puberté.
So now you’re giving instruction on how much discussion of opinion is enough? I’m not telling the host how things are going to be. I’m responding to a discussion about the rules with my opinion and my point of view. Which is what you’re doing too. But I don’t recall inviting you to shut up and think of England like you just did to me.
