No, it’s a stupid cause if you wish peace with terrorists, which is what Osama bin Laden is. If you wish our government to take no action, you are saying that you wish the terrorists to be free to kill again.
As Michael Kelly wrote in yesterday’s Washington Post:
There is no middle ground here. Pacifism in the face of relentless evil is inherently immoral, not to mention doomed.
who likes to post intentionally miscued thoughts for the purpose of not only playing Devil’s Advocate, but to force people to not only question my motives, but to actively discuss my motives.
With regards to peace, keep in mind that peace does not inherently require pacifism. Likewise, I find that although pacifism may not be impossible, I think it may well be implausible, considering the constant clash of cultures, religions, and general ideas all people will have.
While what has happened in America is a true tragedy, we must not lose sight of the bigger picture. Terror has stuck in all parts of the world, and some may argue that the US has even been the cause of some of it, either through instigation or lack of interference, depending on who you talk to.
The simple fact remains that terror and war are not good. Likewise, thoughtless behavior is not good.
Many of you have pointed out that even the original hippies had many who were just jumping the bandwagon… you are right. But I was not referring to individuals - I was referring to the overall movement and what it stood for, and why it even happened in the first place. The difference today is that the focus is gone, the reason is too often lost, and people just don’t get it.
In the least, I hope I’ve given some of you cause to take a moment and think. At worst, some of you have accused me of being a troll… oh well. That’s life, I suppose.
In other words:
“I can’t back up any of the uneducated, ass-ignorant pus I’ve posted so far, so I’m goign to pretend I did it on purpose. Really, I’m deep. C’mon, don’t you get it? I’M DEEP DAMMIT!! PLEEEEEASE LIKE ME!!!”
It’s been done, Sammy.
I do so enjoy it when others feel the need to place words in my mouth…
as such, and being that this is the BBQ pit, a place of flames, please allow me the following opportunity:
Look here, captain jackass - all because I’ve not shown any “fact” does not mean that an arguement cannot be made on a conceptual basis. “ignorant-ass puss” that’s really quite clever, must’ve taken you a whole 2 seconds to whip out that one. whoo-whee. hot-damn, you are the fucking overloard.
Back to my point: modern hippies are no better, and oft worse, than the original band-wagon jumping losers. Now, of course it would be absurd to say that ALL modern hippies are worthless, but they are no less naieve. You all seem to be bitching and whining for “fact”… how about all the fucking hippies I knew during college, all the ones I still know today, all the hippies that are my sister’s friends… good enough? Yeah, I just made all this up for my own amusement - that would be a troll… I actually had a purpose, obscure as it may be. I didn’t ask you to read what I wrote, nor did I require your worthless comments.
You want to discuss what I’ve posted, that’s fine, I hightly encourage it. You want to flame me, well, bring it on.
Number one, I did say that I think re-action on our part is warranted. But having that in mind, what is wrong with wishing for peace, whether it’s with Osama Bin Laden or the ass accross the street that doesn’t pick up his dog shit. Give peace a chance!!
My point was someone holding a sign saying “Peace Please” shouldn’t be the target of someone’s wrath. Even if he’s only do it to be just like his dad was – or whatever.
Tell it to Gandhi.
Hello, troll. I’m wondering, where are all these damn modern hippies you are talking about? Can you give me an example?
Gobear, I’ll take Ghandi and Martin Luther King for 200.
Gandhi wielded a judo of the soul to use the consciences of the British against them. If Gandhi had used nonviolent resistance against the Nazis, he would have ensured his death ad the deaths of his followers because the Germans lacked any pangs of conscience about killing untermenschen. In fact, there’s a good SF short story about Gandhi facing the Nazi rulers of a conquered India.
I want peace, but the only way to get peace is to crush the terrorists.
Ok, now you’re just waffling. You’re OP was all about how today’s “hippies” (which I still contend don’t even exist) suck and compared to those “paragons of peace and love” of the sixties, they were just thoughtless selfish wannabes.
Now you’re saying what you really meant was that they’re all losers.
Let’s make a stand, here Custer.
I refer you to your own words …
“The wannabe’s are often well versed in variousl liberal teachings. They are often well educated from well-off families. Many have chosen to be “hippies” because it fills a void in their otherwise empty lives.”
So unless you were only speaking of those “hippies” you know personally, then, yes, you pulled that out of your ass.
If you’re going to state something as fact, you can’t cite it by saying “Because – that’s why.”
Who are you, Linda Richman? This isn’t Coffee Talk. You can’t just toss out a subject and say, “Discuss.”
The thing is if you didn’t want anyone to read it, or respond to you, then you shouldn’t have posted it.
look, I’ll lay it one the line here, since your reading comprehension skills are matched only by fruitflies:
The hippy movement of the late 60’s was a necessary thing, one that was meant to shake the dubious fundamentals of society’s moral thread. The MOVEMENT was a noble cause, calling for peace during the Vietnam War, which was a highly questionable confrontation. The hippy MOVEMENT shook people up, and opened their eyes… and yes, indeed, it had quite a few negative points about it, particularly when it came to drug abuse. But that’s not the point. I’m referring to the overall movement of peace.
The hippies of the modern age don’t have a Vietnam to protest. Instead, far too many of them go looking for whatever it is they can find to protest. There is no nobility in that. It is not a selfless act, it is a selfish act.
The circumstances surrounding the terrorist attack are complex, as are any such circumstances. Calls for peace, praying for peace, is all a good thing. We should want and pray for peace. Pacifism is not the answer, because the terrorists don’t give a damn. There must be some sort of retalliation. I’m not saying I want war, but I do want justice, and I would like to be able to say that the terrorists will not be able to perform such an act again. And to do so takes aciton - and yes, fighting.
As for knowing these hippies personally, well, again, learn to fucking read.
As far as writing something, throwing it out there, and then saying “discuss”… I don’t recall that not being allowed, and I am fact an active part of this discussion.
I’m terribly sorry that you are unable to consider the argument of individual people vs. the concept they represent. Perhaps if you weren’t so intent to try and “rip holes” in my argument, you’d have the time to think about what I had to say and maybe either agree or disagree based on something other than the sake of argument.
. . . and perhaps if the floor were level, you’l drool from both sides of your mouth.
I prefer blowing milk out my nose - both nostrils. anyway, I only drool when I sleep… though the thought of sleeping is quite appealing right now.
Fair enough.
Nurse! 100 cc’s of Valium. Stat!
I’ll have you know that I’m 36 years old and I read at the level of the average 43 year old!
Ok, so now we’ve re-sainted the sixties hippies. (Scorecard anyone?) I guess you just don’t want anyone shaken up now, because it just doesn’t live up. I think it’s pretty arrogant for you to view present day protests, and judge them as inferior, selfish or insincere, because “it doesn’t live up to the sixties, man.”
“Hippies of the Modern Age?” –
Band Name!!
Get off this hippy kick. There are no more “hippies”.
So they’re trying to expand their minds. They’re trying to reach out and make a difference. They’re working with what they have to work with. So it’s not the same circumstances as Viet Nam. So what? Who are you to criticize. What would you prefer? We start being mindless sheep, who never question authority?
… and the laaaaaaand of theeeeeeee freeeeeeeee." :wipes a tear:
Ok. So we know where you stand. And, hey, here’s a surprise, I agree with you. As I’ve said twice now (talk about reading comprehension :rolleyes: ) I think re-action is warranted. I think Bin Laden should be brought to justice.
What does any of that have to do with the right for people to protest it? This is America you’re defending, no? Free speech and all that.
:: waiting anxiously for words to appear on the screen so that I might cypher 'em, about how you can state that most “hippies” are well off, well educated in liberal teachings and have empty lives, and prove it by saying, “I just know, ok.” ::
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Oh, it’s completely allowed. What is also allowed is being call a dip-shit for doing it. You’re the one trying to make a point by posting an original thread.
{whine whine} “I didn’t ask you to read it you big meanie”.
Get over yourself.
What have I been saying? Are we using the same alphabet? You seem to be separating and meting out “the concept” only to those “individuals” you deem worthy of it. Anyone who didn’t live in Berkeley in '67 can’t really be concerned with peace?
I wouldn’t have popped into this thread and posted in the first place if I didn’t disagree with you. If I’m not allowed to “rip holes in your argument”, then how the hell am supposed to argue with you. I have my point, you have yours. We are arguing about them. I think your point has enough holes already without me doing much ripping.
[sub]why do I feel like a Monty Python reference is in the works?[/sub]
You know, Trolls do smell better over a low, even flame…
(Python reference? Can do.)
<grumbles> Damn modern Communist hippies! Back in my day, Communists were somber gentlemen who worried about mobilizing the working classes and who had control over the means of production. But those modern Communists! It’s like life is an endless party for them, with the dancing, and the drugs, and that rock and roll music. The Internationale was good enough for me, damn it! This is all Gramsci’s fault </grumbles>
People describe me as a hippy, but I dont protest. I try to live my life well, not hurting others or the environment. I try to work towards peace, but I dont call for inaction now.
I would like to see these things resolved without any innocent people being killed, but that is just a little dream I have that will never come true. I dont come from a rich, or even well-off family. I have read quite a bit of ‘leftist’ literature but am not a communist. I printed out “Steal this Book” at IBM 20 pages a night. Ha ha. Damn the man and viva la resistance!!!
peace,
JB
Blackclaw wanders over, pulls out a lawnchair, puts a marshmellow on a stick, and puts his feet up.
MFS ole’ buddy, you’re making about as much sense as a raincoat on a duck.
Plops down next to Blackclaw, removes sandles, briefly considers lighting up a fatty…
You know, jabe seems allright to me. I’ve always had a thing for ironic copyright infringement.
*Reconsiders fatty, decides not to raise the ire of the mods, saves it for later. *
Yo, Blackclaw, any guesses what MFS might stand for?
Thanks, I’ve always had a thing for CyberHippies 
peace,
JB