Wow! You gotta love this from the last link
It’s hateful and dangerous. When these assholes go on TV and fan the fires of hatred they’ll shrug and wonder what happened when violence erupts somewhere, and off toast to the new controversy to distort. Good lord America. Reject this crap.
Acknowledging reality,
In our form of democracy and the liberties we enjoy we will be vulnerable to attacks from within. It’s realisitic in this new age of warfare that some will occur.
That said, we need to decide if the liberties we tout are worth defending and standing up for. Do we have the character and courage to still defend them and live by them in the face of a new challanges.
The alternative is the kind of fearful shameful behaviour we see in the links. Us citrizens trying to deny Muslims the rights they calim for themselves. Is that what we’re about?
If I understand it right, it’s US citizens trying to deny US Muslims the rights they claim for themselves.
Liberty is not free, it has a cost.
Is that supposed to mean anything?
It means fortune cookie printers are getting a bit more existential this year.
What is the sound of 1 right clapping?
Yep, and part of that cost is putting up with stuff you don’t like or are scared of in order to not take fundamental rights away from citizens who look, sound or worship differently from yourself.
Yeah, it means that if our freedoms to worship (or refrain from doing so), and speak, are to mean anything, then true patriots ought to be defending the Cordoba Center, instead of spouting ignorance, bigotry, and stupidity.
In other words, what** cosmosdan **said in a post earlier.
Also, with 6 you get eggroll.
That might be exactly his point, you know.
ETA: Go me!
My point was about the eggroll costing extra.
Sorry, this issue is just so freaking obvious, and self-evident, that it’s hard to address it in any serious way. Those who oppose the cultural center are behaving so cowardly.
No one’s denying these muslims anything. Doesn’t stop these muslims from being assholes.
Why, pray tell, is building a community center in an old Burlington Coat Factory in lower Manhattan the act of an asshole?
Because it offends the delicate sensibilities of some assholes?
Well, there’s this fellow upthread wants to deny them a whole buncha stuff. Care to refudiate him?
Ah, well in that case, all muslims out of the state of New York, just to be safe.
Except the people filing suit to have the building declared a landmark, so it can’t be turned into a mosque or cultural center.
And the people who tried to get the city council to deny the planning permit.
This argument failed in the other thread and it fails here. There is nothing that can be reasonably interpreted as insensitive for planning to build a Community Center with a worship area in that location.
If you check out the links showing protests about Muslims all over the country you’ll see what’s going on. The fear mongers have created a controversy using 9/11 sentiment and sadly people are buying into it and allowing themselves to be manipulated by irresponsible media.
The truth is that the people who embrace religious intolerance and try to justify it with false patriotism and sympathy concerning 9/11 are the people being far less sensitive. They are willing to make the false association that all Muslims regardless of their history, are somehow connected to Muslims terrorists. These same people would see how ridiculous this was if it was concerning almost anything else, especially if they were the ones experienceing hatred for actions they had nothing to do with and could not control.
I really think you are giving them a pass just because they’re espousing a religious belief. Here’s why:
Let’s say there’s a Nazi party near Auschwitz. Let’s say this is a party that believes that Jews are an inferior race but that they should not be discriminated against. Let’s say they believe that there should be comity between races. They now decide to build a headquarters two blocks from the gas chambers - this will be a place where they will talk about their beliefs about racial superiority - but they will also have a community center open to all. Do you think such an act will be insensitive? Would you think Jews would be correct to express their distaste over such a project while acknowledging that the Nazi party has a right to place their building anywhere?
The Cordoba initiative has every right to place a mosque there. I just don’t think it’s tasteful.
Islam = Nazis?
All muslims are equivalent to members of the Nazi party?