Yes, we know you just do this to make white people look like idiots. Especially to all the white people out there who also want to end offshoring.
You don’t hurt anyone’s feelings. All you do is provide ammunition. You know, like Sarah Palin does.
You have an invisible pink unicorn in your pocket, right? Or does ‘we’ refer to Gonzo and you? You might want to check with him before including him in your racist fantasies as he might not be all that keen…
-XT
Draggin’ ass is really going to blow his lid when he finds out opposition to offshoring is stronger among “brown” people in America than it is among whites.
Cite please.
I already asked. Once again we are promised a cat, only to find yet another empty room.
Still waiting for you to back up this claim. I asked the last time you made it.
And for the record, we are going to ask that of you every time you make one of these types of statements. That’s what makes this board “tough.” If you want to spout garbage without having to back it up, start a blog.
And remember, this is all available for search on Google. Someone that wonders about opositioin to offshoring is going to see you say, “opposition to offshoring is stronger among “brown” people in America than it is among whites” and will then look to see a cite for it.
Maybe that isn’t a problem for you. Maybe you’re used to believing random internet strangers that don’t need to back up their claims. Or maybe you’re just a troll, posting unsubstantiated claims, looking to get a rise out of people. Feel free to pop in to your other thread and provide cites there too.
No, that’s not what makes you tough; it’s what makes you comical - that is, if it weren’t for your tragic reading comprehension problems that surface whenever you read a cite, much less try to provide one of your own.
Furthermore, when you define anti-offshoring as racist and you cannot even understand the simple concept (a truth recognized even by The Economist) that the plus-sum economic pie is in fact a negative sum for workers, you turn your forum into an outright parody of itself.
The point you did not get about those cartoons I posted is that America likes to make fun of you. Politicians lose elections publicly standing for the nonsense you’re selling. Nowhere will you find in normal society that anyone admires you. Except, maybe in your tiny enclaves where you engage in circle jerks (wait, is that going to be taken by a mod as a homophobic insult??) and congratulate yourselves on how smart you think you are.
Your kind is headed for museums, not cultural dominance.
Still waiting for cites to back up those claims you made. Or would you like to admit they are unsubstaniated, and simply stated to get a rise out of people?
But good job finding an editorial cartoon to prove your point, not sure why more people don’t use that as proof of concept.
Tell me, what happens if I find a political cartoon making fun of you?
My kind? You mean white guys from Canada? I wasn’t aware we were ever culturally dominant. We do kick ass at hockey.
I doubt it will bother you that:
*“One difference is that political cartoonists primarily empathize and thus promote the interests of the workers, direct supervisors, and customers most affected by outsourcing/offshoring whereas IS researchers primarily promote the interests of the firm. *”
Notice the way I didn’t just blurt out an unsubstantiated claim? I posted a quote from and link to a research paper.
Uh…why would I care one way or the other? My far bigger concern is people such as yourself: the foaming-at-the-mouth screamers that ignore the facts.
Being anti-offshoring in and of itself isn’t racist. There are lots of reasons to be concerned about the short-term impact of offshoring on certain industries, particularly when benefits of offshoring don’t necessarily accrue immediately to the same groups that were hurt by it.
But your repeated assertion of only wanting to trade with ‘white’ countries - even though those countries had ample trade deficits with the US, just like the brown countries you want to slap tariffs on - comes across as fairly blatent racism. You give no rational explanation as to why these countries are fine, but those countries aren’t, and in fact you only added Japan to your list of ‘OK countries’ after others pointed this out.
Even more interesting - you say you’d like to trade with Canada and Europe (and, belatedly, Japan), because ‘trade tends to be more even’. We’ll ignore for now your complete ignorance of what a trade deficit actually means; for now, let’s look at your assertion that you want to trade with Canada and Europe (and Japan) because ‘trade tends to be more even’. Which sounds great…except it’s not more even. The US runs large deficits with Canada, Japan, and the eurozone, and has for years.
I notice you don’t include Mexico in countries you’d like to trade with. Why not? Looking just at Mexico, Japan, Canada, and Europe (either Europe as a whole or just the EU, take your pick), Mexico has had the smallest trade deficit with the US of the four countries/regions in 8 of the past 11 years, and at *no time *in the past 11 years did it have the largest deficit. Europe’s trade deficit has been consistently bigger than Japan and Canada, why are they on your initial short list? Can you really be ignorant of the fact that Mexico has been one of the largest trade partners for the US for years? Can you really not know that our exports to China are steadily growing, as Chinese consumers enjoy rising incomes and standards of living - possibly because of the jobs provided by selling goods to the US - and that the rising trade deficit is because China is increasingly capable of making higher value-added goods? Perhaps you’re too young to remember the trade wars with Japan in the 80s?
Do you really not realize that trade deficits are going to depend on three main factors: foreign income, the prices of US goods and services, and the prices of goods and services that compete with US goods and services? Have you thought about what that means in the context of the vast gap in per-capita GDP (and more importantly, per-capita income) between, for example, China and the US? Who do you think has the capacity to buy more: the average US consumer, or the average Chinese consumer? Incidentally, the US has the 9th highest per-capita GDP at over $47,000/yr, while China is 95th, at just over $4,000. America’s per-capita personal income is $20,0000, while China is barely over $3,000. Gee, I wonder what could that possibly mean for trade?
You’ve been digging yourself a big-ass hole for 9 pages now, and I have no doubt you’ll keep on digging merrily away, but you are so far out of your league here, you really should just admit you’re completely clueless on the stuff that matters…you know, like facts.
I believe it is against board rules to call someone a curator. Even if it isn’t, that’s a really low blow.
Actually, it is more a matter that he has (so far) limited himself to a relatively small number of threads without being disruptive to the board, at large. For quite a while he simply looked like one more clueless True Believer (with a smidgen of owning a pony only capable of a single trick) that required no actual staff intervention. And much of the silliness in this thread, (such as his attacks on me for statements I have never made), can be chalked up to it being in The BBQ Pit. As long as other posters are willing to engage him and he limits his direct personal insults to the Pit, he will probably be allowed to continue in the manner of other True Believers who post here.
To be fair, he has started another thread not related to his pet topic, and seems to be a bit more sane on other topics. So maybe he is getting the hang of the place, or is not another monomaniac.
Or he has so many Dopers on “ignore” that he doesn’t see posts that hit any hot buttons.
Regards,
Shodan
And I’ll continue digging until I reach your intellectual level, I suppose. You think far too highly of yourself and your forum. While making a total mockery of white people’s superior education, no less.
In any case society will inevitably look at people like you in their rear view mirror. They will look upon the economic policies you defend as the Dark Ages, a revived Gilded Age, and your kind will be eulogized, economically speaking, by two words: “never again”.
It’s an odd thread, but it’s not completely whack-a-doo. He hasn’t really posted substantially to it, just a few brief responses so far, so it’s hard to say what he’s really getting at. The discussion has mostly moved away from him, which is probably a good thing.
Yeah, just from what he’s claimed I count at least 6-8 posters on ignore. He’s hard to read in that thread as to his stance. It’s odd to assert that conscription is a mens rights issue, and some of his posts in that thread are fairly strange (like the question about the consequences of genetic diversity vis-a-vis males traditional role as expendable cannon fodder.
-XT
In other words: ‘I got nuthin’
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Glad to know you’re pretty much admitting defeat in the face of facts.
The first rule of holes is we don’t talk about holes.
The second rule of holes is to stop digging.
You do realize that tariffs will accomplish that much, much faster.
Nothing except history, current events, you know, real world stuff.
Your arguments on the other hand are best described as such:
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You keep saying “history.”
So prove it, give an historical example of tariffs that didn’t totally fucked a country. Japan had 200 years of isolation, and were nearly wiped out as a result. I’ve pointed to the failure of the US auto industry that all stemmed from tariffs. Now steel prices are kept artificially high in order to protect those workers. Is the rest of the US better off with a few more employed but everything involving steel costing more?
So, either give an actual historical example that backs up your claim, or shut the fuck up.
Well, to be honest, I don’t give a shit. You’re the one that wants to start a political revolution from your basement. If history backs you up on this one surely you can provide some examples.
China. Right now.
Shouldn’t you be out selling vacations to Spain to the unemployed or something? I mean, since everyone who loses their job gets a severance package on planet emacknight.