Anyone else seeing shades of badchad in this one, or is that just me?
I know I’m being ignored, but I can’t help but wonder what LJ thinks of manufacturing jobs leaving New York City, San Francisco, Boston, and other large cities for places in the middle of nowhere, America.
Why should we stand by and let high-wage jobs flee out cities to people earning peanuts in the hinterlands? It just makes cities poorer.
I already noted how those evil workers in Oregon were stealing jobs from the rest of the country. Slap tariffs on all stuff built in Oregon! Unless its Canadian, or something.
But dude, that was like two days and 112 LJ posts ago.
Yes, quite an angry little troll. Seems conflicted with his/her role. He/she will rant for pages incorherently, and then suddenly provide a flood of cites.
The cites of course are garbage, resulting in pages of “ah HA I tricked you” posts trying to cover up for the fact.
Perhaps a self aware troll? Or trubled 14 year old struggling with his homework?
Claims of selling insurance make me suspecious. How does someone sell insurance and not under stand supply and demand? Or competetive advantage. Or comparitive advantage?
If I have the optortunity to buy the same insurance at a lower price, should I do it? What if it means someone loses their job?!?!? Should I feel guilty for switching last year?
Nothing is worse than being unemployed–NOTHING!
The article proved my entire point about how there’s no benefits for workers in offshoring.
Your helter-skelter “no it doesn’t!” game of denial pretty much shows you’re out of fuel here. There’s really not much else to say. Offshoring depresses real wages - which means wages fall behind inflation. There’s nothing in it for workers. The Economist admitted as much. That they cover that up with their usual claims that we shouldn’t stop offshoring is irrelevant - the fact is, without offshoring workers wouldn’t be falling so far behind! In fact, before offshoring became rampant, they weren’t!
You’ve really got nothing else to say about that. I mean, aside from the fact that you got ugly with me on the GD and I got UGLIER with you here and you can’t handle the butthurt.
The mods can close this thread or just let you monkeys keep jumping for the organ grinder. But remember that people like me are forming into a political noose around your neck. We’re going to continue to drive you further into the shadows. One day when you get out of kindergarten you’ll look back and understand why politicians do not brag about fighting anti-offshoring laws anymore.
xtisme, I will have to consider your assessment.
I do try to give posters the benefit of the doubt rather than simply assuming that every display of blatant ignorance, even expressed in hostility, is merely a cover for a person with a fixation on shiny objects tied to strings.
One trait of the True Believer that I have seen over the years has been an inordinate fondness for anger and mockery. On the other hand, we have enough True Believers on this board without encouraging such behavior among people who are more interested in dangling balao over the side than they have in their apparent monomaniacal fixation.
You know, I was told that this was a pretty tough forum, intellectually speaking. Sadly, this is not a tough forum: this is a forum populated by racists, rabid pro-offshoring True Believers, and which is run by moderators who lie through their teeth and are not man enough - er, mature enough (is that better for you?) to admit when evidence has been put forth that they’re wrong.
This is no longer about offshoring - that much has been settled, with the pro-offshoring argument pretty much sunk by the Economist. I’m onto other subjects now. This is about your inability to act or think like an adult.
Or, in other words…“I got nuthin”
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Go play on another board that’s short of their uber-idiot quota.
God damn, you are a special kind of stupid. I was happily enjoying you flail about, talking about things you clearly know nothing about, but to post that link makes me rethink everything. Is this perhaps Poe’s Law at work?
Paranoid Randroid already linked to one of the best quotes, but here are a few others:
"Most of the fears about emerging economies focus on jobs being lost to low-cost foreign competitors.* But the real threat is to wages, not jobs. In the long run, trade and offshoring should have little effect on total employment** in rich countries; rather, they will change its composition. So long as labour markets are flexible, job losses in manufacturing should eventually be offset by new jobs elsewhere"*
How did you miss that? That is exactly opposite what you have been preaching for the past 8 pages.
What was it I said just a few posts ago? A guy gets laid off from a labour position, and shifts to sales. Damn, I could be writing for The Economist.
*"First, offshoring to low-wage countries has **reduced firms’ costs. *Second, employers’ ability to shift production, whether or not they take advantage of it, has curbed the bargaining power of workers in rich countries."
And more to the point, what are you doing citing The Economics? Aren’t they a bunch of retards? Shouldn’t you be linking to Teen People or the Enquirer?
This thread keeps getting better and better.
Are you just here to make white people look bad?
You know what’s funny is that article isn’t even about offshoring.
“The entry of China, India and the former Soviet Union into market capitalism has, in effect, doubled the world supply of workers, from 1.5 billion to 3 billion.”
“…poor countries have invested heavily in education in recent years, allowing them to start competing in more sophisticated markets. Every year, 1.2m engineers and scientists graduate from Chinese and Indian universities, as many as in America, the European Union and Japan combined…”
It is a massive shift globally. The US isn’t going to be the only place in the world where things happen.
You don’t need to worry about offshoring and outsourcing, you need to worry about being left out entirely. Right now you see companies moving to China and India, but in a couple of years you’ll simply see them starting there. Face it, Americans and America costs too much. You’re the NYC of the world. Sure everyone would love to have their headquarters there, but no one can afford the rent.
Tariffs aren’t going to save you.
Tell me something, what are you going to do when productivity in China starts going up?
Oh, and how old are you?
What’s with the sudden (well, since declaring himself black) overt racial elements getting tossed in about supposed white 'dopers??
Leaving aside the other bullshit, I’d say that, while there are a few racists on this board (VERY few), the one who has demonstrated the biggest racist elements in these threads is…YOU. You’ve repeatedly made inferences to overseas labor that is less than flattering, have said you have no problem with outsourcing and trade with ‘Europe, Canada and Japan’ (Japan being the one odd point there) while wanting to hammer the low wage low skill countries that just happen to be populated by poor Hispanic, Asian and India workers. Yet you seem to be all for the poor, which leads me to other conclusions (especially since I know people who use the exact same code words you use for why we need tariffs and to kill offshoring and outsourcing to certain countries while not to others…wink wink, nudge nudge).
By the article that is almost completely contradictory to your own stated position and makes the dual cases that tariffs are bad and outsourcing is, over all, good? That article? Yeah…that really settled the issue.
Sort of like that article that sunk the ‘pro-offshoring argument’(s), right? Black is white and white is black (wink wink, nudge nudge), insurance salesmen are really out of work and angst ridden teens and the rich top 1%ers will inherit a middle class room in their mommy’s basement…
-XT
I’m starting to get the impression that the poster in question has gotten the benefit of several doubts. If he’s not a troll, post #388 makes it pretty clear that he’s completely delusional.
Oh, goody.
His latest effort, for anyone interested. It’s an odd question the way he phrases it, and his emphasis is fairly bizarre, but it might be an interesting discussion. It will be interesting, if nothing else, to see how he handles this discussion.
-XT
He has his panties in a wad 'cause I posted this:
You know, if you don’t want your poor widdle feewings hurt you may want to avoid code words like ‘waste of flesh / boypussy /idiot cunt hair / dickless cunt boy / turd burgler / butt faced baboon / walking abortions / wrongful birth’ and such.
He initially only said he’d trade with Canada and Europe. Then added Japan, and noted he was black, after others noted his racist bent on wanting to trade with white countries and tarrif brown and yellow countries.
NM…totally misread your sentence there. I agree he only started saying that stuff when he was getting called on the racial tinge of his philosophy and posting style.
-XT
I work for a foreign company, with my own operation here in the US. I LOVE off-shoring, it employees me and several thousand other Americans.
But shall we look at some academic data?
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Innovation is tied to production. When we offshored ,those who build the products are involved in gradually improving the product and streamling and bettering the manufacturing processes. Technical innovation is part of the process. Working with a product on a daily basis ,will spur you to improving all aspects of it.
When we shipped our manufacturing abroad, we also shipped out our technical future. It is India and China who will make the products of the future.
People who think Americans are special and will come up with new ideas that will create new industries are ignorant of how we got to where we were. Innovation is married to the manufacturing process.
If someone comes up with a great new product, the money men will take it over . They will then ship the manufacturing abroad to maximize profits. It is not an incidental act but a systematic one. As it stands now, corporations will move anything they want, anywhere they want, with no consideration for the impact on America.
China needs a lot of engineers and technical experts. We do not. We do not have jobs for them. We will not have jobs for them until our wages drop below their level.