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Lower wage jobs. (Admitted by the Economist.)
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Like the higher wage jobs for high end and niche export manufacturing I showed you and you didn’t respond to earlier and in another thread?
You mean the higher unemployment from the recession that has little or nothing to do with outsourcing? THAT higher unemployment?
So, what you are wanting is to hold business captive in order to squeeze concessions out of them by giving them no choices, and at the same time hold the American people captive and force them to pay more for a lower range of goods and services in order to protect workers and allow them to not have to be competitive. Historically, how has that worked out for business, workers or the public? Can you give any specific examples of this working out well for even the workers in the long run? Because the examples that come to mind (like, say, the British mining industry in the 70’s) didn’t work out so good.
How does job security work out for, say, the average French worker? Does it give them an advantage? Does it lower their overall unemployment? Does it make French goods and services cost less to the French people in France (let’s not make it complicated by pointing out that France also imports goods and services from places like China or India, and that they also outsource and offshore)? Can you give some historic examples of where giving workers the levels of ‘job security’ you are talking about has been a good thing for workers, business or their respective public?
Such horseshit. We are in a fucking recession you idiot…THAT is why there is uncharacteristically (for America) high unemployment right now. Permanent employer’s market? You are so full of shit your it’s coming out your ears. Come back and talk to me about high unemployment in a year or so when it’s back down to 7 or 6%, or even back to what it was before the fucking recession.
Again, horseshit, and dependent on where one draws the line for what is or is not ‘middle class’. If you draw the lines in one place then the ‘middle class’ is shrinking (because more people are going above the arbitrary line than below it). If you draw it in another then it’s shrinking because people who have lost their jobs due to a recession and have either gotten lesser jobs, lower paying jobs or no job at all are bound to fall relative to where they were before the recession. Again, check back in a year or so when the recession is fading away and businesses are scaling up due to increased demand.
Again, it all depends on where you draw your arbitrary line for what a ‘poor class’ actually is. You also have to look at long term graphs vs short term ones, since, you know, we are IN A FUCKING RECESSION. Compounded by the fact that we had a major bubble bust in the housing market that also had a huge impact on the financial market. These things tend to make people spend less, so there is less demand on buying goods and services, which tends to have a detrimental effect on companies keeping excess workers, well, working.
Too your strawman hyperbolic bullshit list? Well, outsourcing allows the American public the ability to buy a huge range of goods and services very cheaply, which tends to increase our overall wealth. It also tends to create jobs in the logistics and sales sectors (as well as a lot of others, including our export manufacturers and service sectors). It also frees up workers from making bullshit stuff to doing more vertically oriented manufacturing that requires more skills (and thus more pay) than your average Chinese or Indian manufacturing worker. It also allows capital to flow into those countries, giving their economies and workers more capabilities to buy goods and services…goods and services WE can sell to THEM. It opens up new potential markets for our own goods and services and for our own businesses. It’s a win/win at the macro-scale.
There are other benefits too, of course, but hell, you can’t even grasp the above list since it’s been told to you several times by several different posters. Here is the bottom line…no one is saying that it’s only positives for offshoring or outsourcing. Most posters to this and your other myriad idiotic threads on this subject would acknowledge that there are downsides to offshoring and outsourcing, and that there are going to be some people who always get hurt, lose their jobs or even their careers, their homes and means of making a living. When industrialization come into being a lot of people lost their jobs, and a lot of people went from skilled cottage craftsman to some schmoe on an assembly line putting a nut on a part as it went by. There are many examples of whole sectors going from well paid to completely extinct (like switchboard operators, as an example). It happens…and it totally sucks for the person on the short end of that sort of stick. But overall, outsouring and offshoring are a net benefit for everyone…but ESPECIALLY they are a net benefit for the US at this time and place because of our position as the biggest market and the fact that our currency is the de facto currency world wide, and also (still) considered one of the safer places to invest in. It’s only YOU who can’t or won’t see that outsourcing or offshoring isn’t all bad, that it has upsides as well as downsides. You can’t see it because you can’t or won’t listen, and you are full of populist horseshit and slogans, not facts. Look at the cites you use…they are all blogs or obscure news factoids, and half the time (to be generous) you don’t even follow what they are actually saying in any case! When presented with factual counter arguments from reputable sources you either ignore the poster (because you are pouting like a baby and have them on ‘ignore’), or you lash back with uninformed snark and unsubstantiated opinion based on your standard line of BS.
-XT
