You have zero idea of what it is or you would have explained it since you feel I don’t know.
But the reality is you’re too scared to go there because you already know why comparative advantage doesn’t work here and I’m just sitting here waiting for you to step on that pencil you call your dick. Problem for you is, I’m calling the shots in this debate. You, on the other hand, are on the defensive, and will always remain so, until America gets terminally tired of being screwed by offshoring and we decide to forcibly take it down a peg. Or two… dozen.
So you definitely don’t know, then. Good. I just wanted to clear that up in case any lurker was confused. Well, folks, it’s now perfectly clear and obvious- Le Jackass has never taken an econ class in his life and has never heard of comparative advantage. That’s why he’s for protectionism and not a single person who knows what they’re talking about supports his position.
You’re not calling the shots, Jack. You’re dancing for us. We poke you with a stick and you jump up and do your little dance for our amusement, like a bear in a tutu.
Hey folks, No Sense here just got caught throwing around a word and when his bluff was called all he did was bluster. The problem here is none of you know what you’re talking about. You keep bandying about terms you know nothing about. Nonsense has never been to school. Nonsense doesn’t know what comparative advantage is.
Nonsense boy here is bluffing and is afraid to explain what comparative advantage is. You’re scared of me, dude. You know as soon as you make your move you’re going to get humiliated… again.
Yes, I do know what comparative advantage is. I just want this term explained in YOUR words. But you’re too afraid to nail yourself down to any specific position that’ll get used against you.
Because you know offshoring is bullshit.
Only in your imagination, organ grinder monkey boy. When you get tiresome and run out of your own toes to shoot I simply tune you out for good. All I have to do is come in and show you yet another reason why your argument is bullshit and you’re right back here defending yourself.
Meanwhile your position gets less and less popular in this country.
It’s funny that you didn’t just answer the question with a brief explanation of what the term means then, isn’t it? Here, let me help you out since you obviously don’t get it. Comparative Advantage is when a country is able to produce products, goods or services at a lower cost (or with some other advantage) than other countries it trades with. So, if China can produce cheap retail goods or clothing more cheaply than the US, they would have a comparative advantage in those things, while the US might have advantages in high tech goods and services, or heavy manufacturing equipment (which is why we export those things to China).
There was really no need to wave your hands and dodge the question Le Lac. The fact that you did says a lot about you and your level of knowledge on this subject. The fact that you think you can fool anyone into thinking you answered the question and that it was Chessic Sense who didn’t know the answer says a lot about how gullible you think we all are, or perhaps how gullible your usual audience is on your other message board…
Since NonSense boy is cowering in the corner unwilling to explain comparative advantage, let me explain the error he sees in his reasoning and why he’s trying to keep up his brave face:
The Theory:
In an hour, America produces 20 “units” of research and 10 units of consumer electronics. In that same time China produces 5 units of research and 5 units of consumer electronics. (Well, no they don’t, but we’ll inflate the Chinese numbers of this theory.)
Then a Comparative Advantage miracle occurs.
Bingo! China is better off doing all the manufacturing and America is better off allocating all its workers toward research.
The Reality:
America loses its manufacturing jobs and millions of Americans go unemployed. Instead of being reallocated to doing research they’re reallocated to the unemployment line. The research industry never, ever grows large enough to absorb these displaced workers, forcing most to be reallocated into low-paying service jobs.
Googling it would only help if you accepted the standard definition and it’s implications which Le Jac doesn’t seem to do. Instead, he has his own made up idea of what it means…which is probably the main reason he didn’t want to just come out and answer the question.
Why would I? I just explained exactly why comparative advantage fails as an argument in defense of offshoring.
It’s going to be interesting to see whether you rats come out of your SDMB rat hole when more states than just Ohio start passing laws against offshoring… particularly when it reaches the state initiative process level and you have to come out and face the throngs of anti-offshoring people in person.
If your posts on this board is any indication of your debating skills, you’ll do more damage to the pro-offshoring point of view than any opponent could hope to.
Ah hah. So, basically, when it comes to discussing comparative advantage… you guys got nothin’. Just like when you were asked to show us what jobs have been created by offshoring… you got nothin’. Just like when you were asked to show us what benefits America gets from offshoring… you got nothin’.
All that blustering about comparative advantage and it turns out you had no idea what the fuck that term was that you were throwing around.
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Ah hah. So, basically, when it comes to discussing comparative advantage… you guys got nothin’. Just like when you were asked to show us what jobs have been created by offshoring… you got nothin’. Just like when you were asked to show us what benefits America gets from offshoring… you got nothin’.
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You mean like all the examples you’ve been given in this and other threads that, like a fucking baby you ignored or handwaved away? Like THOSE examples? It’s almost like you don’t understand that people following along can, you know, scroll the fuck up the thread and actually see what’s been said, and how you’ve dodged and blustered through not just this thread but through EVERY OTHER SINGLE FUCKING THREAD ON THIS STUPID SUBJECT YOU HAVE WRITTEN AND PARTICIPATED IN. Sort of similar to how you seem constantly surprised when someone takes the trouble to click on your link and discovers that it didn’t say what you seemed to think it said, and in fact generally said either the opposite or made some tangential point that had little or nothing to do with what was actually being discussed.
I grind the organ and Xtisme continues to scratch his armpits and jump to the music.
At some point you’re going to have to look back on this and wonder why it is that opposition to offshoring is GROWING despite all your arguments. Nobody’s buying your bullshit anymore. The gig is going to be up, and soon.
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I grind the organ and Xtisme continues to scratch his armpits and jump to the music.
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Geeze man, at least come up with something original. This is the same insult used on you earlier by Chessic Sense. Again, it’s like you don’t realize that people can actually, you know, scroll up and see what was said earlier in this train wreck of a thread.
BTW, chief, it’s xtisme, or if you HAVE to capitalize it then XTisme. My initials are XT.
Ignorance grows sometimes, sadly. At one point the number of people who thought that 9/11 was a big conspiracy involving the US government was growing, and for all I know continues to grow. That doesn’t mean that they were right, merely that a larger than normal percentage of the population were fucking idiots. Right now it’s a major populist argument from both left and right wingers that offshoring and outsourcing are The Evil™, and since the public is about as sophisticated as a box of rocks on the finer points of economics it’s really not all that surprising that such an idiotic message is gaining traction. Look at the public’s view on this during the Great Depression. Populist politicians and idiots like you managed to convince a MUCH higher percentage of the population of the need for trade protectionism and tariffs…with the result that our economy completely melted down, taking much of the worlds with us.
Again, your use of ‘Nobody’s’ is interesting, since in general most economists are more on my ‘side’ than your own. Perhaps you are right, and you and idiots like you will manage to drag our economy down to destruction just like the idiots who tried to put in trade protectionism and tariffs in a similar fashion managed to fuck us during the Great Depression. It’s more than possible that you will. Sadly, we’ll all reap what you sow, and it will be cold comfort on my ‘side’ being right if you manage to sink the whole ship due to ignorance and stupidity.
One interesting quote: “In 1980, 2.5 gigabytes of computer power cost $214,000 and consumed a room. Today, that capacity sells for $7 in a pinky-sized flash drive at Best Buy.”
But the good stuff is here: “The shift to luxuries — which soon become everyday items — has been helped by a decline in the cost of food and clothing, partly the result of cheaper production overseas and discount retailers such as Wal-Mart.”
What’s funny is that the guy then makes the same argument Le Whatever says, “High unemployment and increased inequality has led to the perception that living standards aren’t progressing as they should, Steckel says. “It doesn’t mean much that you can buy a $10 shirt at Wal-Mart if you don’t have a job,” he says.”
Do you monkey trash talking fools even realize that Democrats who campaigned on opposing offshoring were THREE TIMES as successful as pro-offshoring Democrats?
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Perhaps this is why you guys are so desperate to fight me on this…
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What do you suppose an opinion piece from 2005 proves, exactly?
A 6 year old torpedo of an opinion piece is like shooting a wet sack of shit at a battleship with the expectation of sinking it. Good luck with that.
Correlation does not imply causation. That said, no one doubts that ignorance can be a factor in winning or losing elections. Look at the elections that are won or lost on the basis of support for or again abortion, to name a single issue. Populist sentiments are always high when bad shit (like that recession thingy you can never seem to grasp) are happening, especially economically.
I don’t recall anyone (except you) who has put this debate in terms of winning or losing popular support. You seem to feel that appealing to populist sentiment gives your arguments weight and substantiates your position, but all it really does is show that your arguments have gained traction with people every bit as ignorant as you are. I think the 9/11 Truth movement is ‘winning’ as well…that doesn’t substantiate their position or lend weight to their arguments, merely underscores the fact that ignorance can be fought, but fighting doesn’t grant an automatic win. People like you are immune to logic and arguments, unfortunately, and continue to spew horeshit as if it’s going out of style.
I’ll give you a tip on perspective, Xtisme. You’ve lost 90% of Republicans on this issue. That, sir, is the ideological base you need to depend on to support globalism. You are facing an imminent revolution on this issue.
But now that doesn’t faze you, not one bit. In your tiny pea brain you are convinced that you are logical and rational even though you can’t back up a shred of what you say. Even your own allies in The Economist can only say that the benefits of offshoring will “eventually” benefit the working class. :rolleyes:
Judging by America’s attitude toward offshoring, more people now worship Zeus than believe the bullshit you have been spouting. But, like Viki in “I, Robot” you are convinced that your logic is undeniable.
I may take you off ignore then just to see you bleat like a stuck pig* when this offshoring scam comes crashing down around your ears.
Uh oh, I hope I don’t get moderated for insulting one of Xtisme’s relatives.
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I’ll give you a tip on perspective, Xtisme. You’ve lost 90% of Republicans on this issue. That, sir, is the ideological base you need to depend on to support globalism. You are facing an imminent revolution on this issue.
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I’m not a Republican, moron, and this isn’t a great crusade for me as it is with you. It’s not MY revolution, it’s YOUR revolution, since what you are trying to do is topple the current system and pretty much every economist out there with any sort of cred. Just because YOU think it’s something we need to be marching in the streets for or taking action about doesn’t mean the rest of us do, you idiot.
Which of the articles you mis-read are you talking about now? Your ‘logical and rational’ arguments boil down to either ‘this is what I believe and you are stupid for disagreeing with me’ and ‘I’m right because more people are starting to agree with my position now, so nananananananana!’. Both are faith based non-sense, as shown by the fact that you are unable to get even one reputable economist type to agree with you. Instead, it’s been an endless series of blogs, political cartoons, politicians and misunderstood or deliberately distorted cites that I can only assume you figured none of us would bother reading to find out what was actually said (as opposed to taking your skewed views on what was said). Again, it’s almost like you are used to people who will take your horseshit at face value and not read your cites. Probably because the other message boards you are on is peopled by a bunch of equally stupid and credulous fools as yourself.
I’m convinced that facts are facts, and I’m convinced that the consensus by the experts on this subject actually means something. YOU are convinced that populist nonsense and the wisdom of the masses (yearning to be poor) is actually meaningful in a discussion on a subject like this. You have been repeatedly given facts and you have countered with bullshit…and then declared victory and gone into a happy dance. Besides perhaps gonzomax and a few other loopy lefty types who wouldn’t know even the basic facts on economics and trade if it bit them on the ass and called them mama you have been pretty roundly rejected and completely spanked in each of these threads by a truly bewildering spectrum of 'dopers from all manner of political philosophies around here.
What would be the point, since you are obviously reading my posts and have been the entire time? Dude…did you think you were fooling anyone with your childish ‘I’m putting you on ignore! NANANNANANNA!’ bullshit? I could see that you were working in stuff that John Mace was saying like the day after you supposedly put him on ignore. Only a cry baby like you would resort to putting people on ignore, tell everyone they were putting them on ignore and then read their posts anyway. Fucking man up you pussy.
I’m sure they would take anything you say about them with the gravity it warrants. Ok, I admit it…the probably wouldn’t care or even notice what you would have to say, and most likely wouldn’t piss on your back if you were on fire. They are like that. Me on the other hand…I’d definitely piss on your back…
