It’s so bad now that the pro-offshoring lobby is being warned not to use the word “free trade” anymore because of the bad reputation it has gained.
Plus, the pro-offshoring camp, in that article, offers a more ominous warning: that if America rebels against globalism, it will spark a global revolution.
Hoo fucking rah.
Do you NEVER read the fucking article for comprehension of what they are saying?? :rolleyes: From your cite:
An ‘ominous development for President Barack Obama’s vow to double U.S. exports by 2015’…because what you idiots are going to accomplish is to gut our trade, including our export trade, jobs which are DONE BY FUCKING AMERICANS YOU IDIOT!
So, even though the benefits of free trade are known (by those intelligent enough to know what the fuck they are talking about), the ignorant and deluded (and, to be fair the scared and frightened) who don’t have a clue are keying off on the phrase. Why? Well, because they have been told by a small minority of idiots such as you and your chums that it’s bad, obviously.
This is exactly the same bullshit that lead us to gutting our nuclear power industries and becoming a non-entity in nuclear power. Those idiots are doing exactly the same things that your idiots are doing…they are using fear and anger (and in cases like yourself, their own ignorance and stupidity) to rally support of the masses to their cause. The end result will be similar…a small group of idiots will lead the rest of the herd to decisions that will, in the end, hurt them economically.
-XT
This quote needs to be made a sticky, or just put in his sig line. To help keep newbies from wasting their time mistakingly trying to respond with factual content.
Come on, guys, clue-up.
Your cause has been so thoroughly exposed for the horseshit that it is that the big wig rich and powerful pro-offshoring propagandists out there don’t even want to USE the word “free trade”. Does that sound like something someone with confidence in their beliefs would do? Buncha chickenshits.
Protectionist. We who believe in protectionism say it loud and we say it fucking proud.
Truthers say it loud and proud too…but they are still nutballs of the first order. At least you are in good company, ehe?
-XT
Free trade.
Free Trade…SAY IT LOUD! WOOOOOOOEEEEEEEEEEWWWWW!
-XT
I’m having the most delicious bowl of free trade.
You can say it all you want to; but those same “people that matter” that you say oppose my cause, say we shouldn’t use that word in public.
All you’ll do is alienate the people you need to keep free trade going - the voters.
But hey, I want that. I want more of your kind, out in the world, facing the public, making your arguments heard in the open. Just think - you’ll pat yourself on the back about how “logical” you are, and the rest of society will eventually look upon you and free-trade globalism as an ugly memory.
The word you’re looking for is consumers. The people we need to keep free trade going are consumers. You know, people that buy stuff, like cars and houses and insurance. That computer you’re using, your router and modem. All the stuff you can afford because of free trade. All the extra tax revenue generated because of free trade.
mmmmm it is so tasty, I would like some more.
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Just think - you’ll pat yourself on the back about how “logical” you are, and the rest of society will eventually look upon you and free-trade globalism as an ugly memory.
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And yet, the rest of society continues to vote with their wallets. See, that’s where the bullshit you are peddling hits the rotary impeller…people WANT cheap and abundant products and services with a large selection. And they would be pissed as hell if you and your buddies ever got their way, because you’d kill the golden egg laying goose. Instead of a wide range of products they would have a limited selection of high priced American made goods and services (which would probably be made using automated factories, and which would net you few actual jobs) and massively expensive foreign made goods and services due to all the trade tariffs you’d be putting on imports. It would also kill our export manufacturing, since countries would retaliate by mirroring our tariffs, which would drive up the prices of our exports to the point that no one would buy them. And I doubt that, by doing stuff like this, the USD would retain it’s place as de facto currency or an investment haven for foreign countries, which would have some fairly nasty effects, and further lower Americans actual wealth and buying power.
The actual effect of your stupid proposals is a net loss in jobs and higher priced goods and services, with lower selection. Yeah…you are going to be a huge hero with The People after pulling off that trick…
-XT
I mean, really. Let’s talk about where you guys REALLY, epically go wrong every time you bash tariffs.
On one breath you say that iPods will go from $300 to $1500 if offshoring is abolished, and so it will become unaffordable. But yet in the other breath you say that nothing ever REALLY goes up in price when you factor in wage and price inflation. Like those $500 cars in the 1950s that are now $12,000. In one breath you say that when prices go up, wages won’t. But then you also argued rigorously that wages have followed price increases.
You say that without offshoring America will decline and fall into an economic dark ages. But yet history shows that when manufacturing and textile jobs were in America and not India and China, we had a thriving economy, progress happened and better yet… there was job security, too!
Everyone sees these holes in your reasoning. Well, everyone but your tone-deaf SDMB enclave.
You really don’t see the difference between a product’s price going up because the costs in building it go up versus the prices of cars going up with inflation over the course of 60 years, do you?
Also, free trade.
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On one breath you say that iPods will go from $300 to $1500 if offshoring is abolished, and so it will become unaffordable.
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Actually, one poster said this, and in the context of what was being discussed at the time this was a reasonable guesstimate of what COULD happen, price wise, if Apple was forced to bring their facilities back to the US to produce iPads and iPhone in America using American labor. Of course, the reality is that Apple would no do this at all, and would either divest itself of it’s American holdings and simply sell iPads and iPhones and everything else Apple makes in other, foreign markets or they would find some way around your tariffs, even if that caused the prices to go up.
Dude, seriously…it would be a lot better if you would just stop posting and shut the fuck up. Every time you post something like this it makes you look like an idiot who doesn’t know what he’s talking about. This is like the pre-reqs for econ-101. Go buy yourself a book on Inflation for Dummy’s then smack your head against the wall several times for saying something so patently stupid.
sigh Yeah…manufacturing and textiles used to be thriving industries in the US (steel as well) because at those times we had a huge competitive advantage to do those jobs. We had the raw materials, we had the markets for them, and we had cheap labor to do them…and we didn’t have a lot of competition from other countries to do those jobs. Almost none of those factors exist today. Surly you realize that making textiles and other low end manufacturing takes low skill low pay workers? And surly you realize that, even leaving aside labor, environmental and worker safety concerns and legislation puts additional costs on goods and services in countries like the US that aren’t applied in countries like China and India?? It costs more today to manufacture stuff in the US than it does in countries like China and India…which is why the US focuses on high end manufacturing and niche oriented services (plus high output agriculture) and leaves mass production type manufacturing to countries like China, who have a competitive advantage (there is that term again) doing those kinds of things.
Dude, seriously (really really this time)…get a grip. 
-XT
Le Jac, ask yourself this basic question…why does America have such a problem with immigrant and illegal workers doing maintenance, agriculture and other low wage, low skill (back breaking) type labor? We are in a recession, right? And millions are out of work, right? And yet we have millions upon millions of illegals and immigrant laborers. Why? Why do we have them at all, if that work could be done by Americans? If there are millions of Americans willing to work at low wage, low skill jobs WHY AREN’T THEY DOING THEM RIGHT NOW? Why aren’t they putting those illegals out of work and why aren’t those businesses that use such labor taking advantage of all of the workers who are currently out of work?
There are a bunch of answers to this, and I doubt you will bother to answer, or answer without the usual back and forth sniping and snark, but it gets to the core of why your big plan would not work. Forcing low skill high volume and low wage (presumably) jobs back to the US would not work because Americans wouldn’t be willing, over all, to work those types of jobs anymore. Of it they were willing to work those kinds of jobs, they would expect higher wages and higher benefits, as well as safer work environments and better environmental conditions than those jobs currently enjoy overseas.
-XT
Dammit XT, now I’m picturing Le Jac in that South Park episode, crying out, “Dey took ur jobs!!”
I’ve had several SouthPark-esque moments in this series of seemingly endless threads. 
Might as well share the experience.
-XT
And the fact that the vast majority of the country despises mindsets like yours doesn’t bother you one whit. But you think what you picture in your tiny misinformed clueless mind matters to… anyone at all, except your tiny little phone booth convention of a crowd?
Tell me… why should anyone give a shit what you say anymore?
Especially when your allies in your misguided cause come up with howlers like this?
You people aren’t even intelligent enough to realize that entrepreneurs have a moral AND vested interest in championing the cause of the working class.
How the fuck do you manage to keep your knuckles from scraping concrete on your way to pick up the mail?
Freeeeeeeeee traaaaaaade
For the same reason anyone should give a shit about what you say, seeing as how you’ve clearly demonstrated that you do not understand what an appeal to popularity is, nor can you grok the very basics of economics.