OK, though it appeared that I was personally making a value judgement about their reasoning, I was not. As fictional characters in their made-up series of scenarios, they felt that they had “good reason” for the things they did. To put it another way, without quoting the original person who mentioned good reasons, their lives up to that point and during their “adventure” made them feel that they had reasons.
If I treated you in a disrespectful and disgusting way which you had, through violent experience, come to expect of people of my gender/type/race/age/whatever, IN THE REAL WORLD, no, of course I wouldn’t think you were justified in blowing up my car. However this is a work of fiction designed (or so it always appeared to me) to show how women can get screwed over so much and so badly that they … react to it. If you were already on the run for murder and I happened to push all your unhappy buttons, then yes, I would feel that you were “quite restrained” in just blowing up the car! In fiction. But I thought the whole “women pushed too far will snap” was the point of the film. I’ve certainly never noticed any other point to it!
Jessup claims he booked Santiago on the first flight out of guantanamo. But he really only booked him the flight after he was dead to cover up what really happened. If there was an earlier flight it proves that Jessup is lying and did not want to get Santiago out of Gitmo as early as possible. Since he had a meeting about Santiago with Markinson and Keifer it can be deduced that he ordered the code red, since no one under him would have ordered the code red after the meeting if had had ordered Santiago protected. Either Jessup was lying or the defendants were lying. The earlier plane flight would prove Jessup was lying.
Because Jessep told Kaffee that his order was to get Santiago off the post on the first available transport. That’s a lie–his actual order was that Santiago’s request to be transferred was denied and that Kendrick should execute the Code Red.
Kaffee KNOWS that Jessep is lying about that, but it doesn’t matter what he KNOWS; it only matters what he can PROVE (in court.) If he can prove that an airplane took off from G’itmo at 23:00, then he can prove that Jessep did not, in fact, order Santiago off post on that flight.
However, Jessep is a pretty smart dude, and he realized the same thing that Kaffee realizes. So Jessep gets the G’itmo tower chief’s log (in which each incoming or outgoing flight would be recorded) and edits the 23:00 flight out of it.
So Kaffee thinks “Okay, Jessep can mess with the G’itmo logbook, but I bet I can get the logbook from Andrews and show that a flight LANDED there from G’itmo.”
But, of course, Jessep has gotten his hands on that logbook, too. So while the flight did exist, Kaffee has no way of proving it.
just to clarify, what i meant about good reasons was that some of the things they did, were done for survival, while others were not. the robbery, for example. louise had cashed out her life savings, which was stolen from them. thelma had none to speak of, so they didn’t have many other options to get money for food, gas, lodgings, etc.
to a lesser extent, leaving the cop in his trunk was done for similar reasons. i find it deplorable and i always felt sorry for the guy, but i understand why they did it; they would have undoubtedly been arrested and the game would be up.
blowing up the truck doesn’t fall into that category, though. they weren’t being threatened, he wasn’t a cop, he wasn’t stopping them from leaving, he had no clue as to their past misdeeds. he was just a jerk. and not to say i don’t understand why they did it, since as pointed out both of these women have been screwed over by men for most of their lives, but it’s not a life or death scenario. (and i don’t mean that literally- prison, to me, falls into the category of life or death.)
If they had perfect memories, sure, but think of it this way…
Describe to me the 14th car that passed you on the highway on November 7th, 2009.
There was nothing significant about that flight until long after it had landed, so the crew that operated it, the controllers that talked to it, the airmen that helped offload it, all of them were just doing a super mundane thing that they do every single day. There was no reason for them to think of that flight any differently, so it just became one of many.
Rosemary’s Baby–Her husband Guy allowls Rosemary to be raped and impregnated by the devil without her knowledge in return for the blindness of Donald Baumgart so he can get his big acting break? That does not ring true; and, if it is, he is the biggest dick in movie history.
I suppose but it seems to stretch credulity that the only evidence of a flight is the log tower’s book. Of all the people that help land, offload, load,refuel, launch, etc a flight, only the tower keeps a record of what flight it was?
Because the Empire wanted them to escape but not be obvious about it. Han and Leia have an expository conversation covering this point just after they escape.
I think this is exactly right. Vader wanted to kill Kenobi for personal reasons, but since he didn’t believe a non-Jedi pilot would be able to take advantage of the Death Star’s weakness, he thought it better to let Leia escape so she could lead him to the rebel base. And I don’t think he knew Luke’s name at that point, so he had no reason to think a Force-sensitive person was among his pawns.
Not just that. I just re-read the book, so I can answer that. His whole career took on a new swing and he was getting all kinds of roles, one after another. It was the classic deal with a devil - give me a child and I’ll give you everything: fame, money, a great career, for the rest of his life. He didn’t want kids anyway, and it was also a way to quiet Rosemary, who desperately wanted babies (and wasn’t a perfect woman either - she was going to “accidentally” get pregnant - forget to take her pills. Not worthy of demon rape of course, but still.) Then the baby would ‘die’ (in reality be taken away) and he could probably forestall any children for a long time to come, citing heartbreak or some other reason.
No actor friends, eh?
I hesitate to bring up Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, but this one has never made sense to me, and it’s not brought up very much. (Not as much as the magnetic gunpowder, or the monkey army).
They get into the sandy tomb at the end to return the crystal skull. The other crystal skeletons are all sitting in the control room, or whatever. The only way to get into that room is to use the skull they brought as a key to unlock the door.
How the hell did the first guy get in there to steal that skull to begin with?
Which means Leia is an idiot. She knows the Millennium Falcon is being tracked, and she flies it right to the secret rebel base anyway. Why not go to some random planet, ditch Han and Chewie, hire a new ship (or make contact with local rebels) and then fly to Yavin?
But this argument started with the complaint that Thelma & Louise shouldn’t have have driven off the cliff (because that’s what stupid men do) but instead should have turned themselves in like sensible women.
You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Either we use movie logic, in which case the ending was exactly right, or we use real-life logic, in which case they didn’t have justification for their crimes and so the best they can hope for is a couple decades in jail.
Another Star Wars, um, let’s call it an inconsistency. In the movie “A New Hope”, everyone is surprised the Obi Wan is still alive. After all, he’s freaking ancient, and looks it. But as it turns out that he’s only about, what, 10-15 years older than Vader. Who probably hasn’t hit 40 yet.
Let’s do the math. Luke is maybe 18 and still wet behind the ears. In other words, just about the same age as Obi Wan was in the Phantom Menace. Not sure how much time passed between that and “The Clone Wars”, but it’s probably no more than 10 years. So Obi Wan was * maybe * 30 when Luke was born. Thirty five, max. So in the New Hope, he’s 48-53 years old. That desert living sure ages a guy.
Another thing I’ve wondered about Star Wars. I know that R2D2 and C3PO’s memories were swiped at the end of ROTS, which explains why later on they’d have no recollection of the events in the prequels. But did Vader ever get a look at them in the original trilogy? I can’t recall. If so, I wonder if there was ever a point when he said to himself, “Hmm, those droids look awfully familiar. In fact I built one just like that when I was a kid.”
Regardless, Obi-Wan should have said, when Luke took C3PO and R2 to him in a New Hope, “You know, these droids are an awful like the pair your dad I used to hang with back in the day.”
Vader built Threepio from parts and schematics; he didn’t design him. Even if he recognized a particular ding & dent pattern, he might reasonably assume that his memory had been wiped. I mean, it HAD been.
I don’t think he ever runs into Artoo. And why would he care, anyway? Dude killed his wife, who happened to be the galaxy’s most beautiful woman; I think he’s put his past behind him.
