They’re hoping to keep terrorists from using steroids, thus safeguarding the purity of Major League Baseball.
Someone who knows, can you riddle me this?
What specifically does the Koran actually say and what do hadith etc. have to say about “making war on fellow Muslims?”
The Christian Bible contains moral exhortations that are mostly applicable no matter who you’re interacting with – thou shalt not kill, etc. IIRC to the extent the Bible says anything about “different groups” it’s kind of limited to (1) within your own group (the Church) behave charitably, have all things in common, don’t bring a believer before a secular court; (2) don’t differentiate between Greek and Jewish converts; (3) dealing with meat sacrificed to idols. But nothing about “don’t make war on other Christians.” And, as applied, AFAICT the orthodox teaching on war was basically that IF you could reconcile thou shalt not kill with a general “just war” principle, wars against other Christians were no more or less just than wars against heathens, Saracens, what have you. So theoretically, a Christian soldier who is not a CO from the word go has no more or less moral qualms invading Orthodox Serbia or Protestant/Catholic Germany or Muslim Iraq.
Is there in fact a basis in Muslim doctrine under which a Muslim, applying the teachings, would analyze war on other Muslims differently and under a more demadning standard than war on other enemies? My limited knowledge of the Koran suggests to me that there are times when you’re mandated/allowed to treat people differently based on if they are Muslim, non-Muslim followers of Abraham, and none of the above.
If he thought he was discouraged or forbidden from killing Muslims [but not others] – was this theologically sound?
Lawyer ask investigators not to question Hasan
Ah, the Law has gotten involved finally. Thank heavens.
So much for possible instant answers… though I wonder if we may get to see an Insanity plea? What can a lawyer TRY to do in this sort of a case? Try to see if his client can only get life in prison? Or would he try to see if he can get him the least amount of jail time possible? I do have to agree with one thing though- I think it’s going to be pretty dang hard finding a non-biased jury that hasn’t really heard about this case in the US…
According to ABC news the alleged gunman treid to make contact with al-qeada. I’m sure this was only to ask them to surrender and stop all the fighting in the mideast. I’m sorry I’m not sure how to post a link to the story but it is on google news. Does this change anyone’s opinion on wether or not he’s a terrorist or just nuts?
I haven’t disagreed with those who have said “a little of both” could be the answer. Religious mania is a well-established species or symptom of mental disorder.
When, Where, What Unit?
The Army Chaplains I delt with, while being predominantly Chrisitan, were always fair, open-minded, universally kind, and empathetic to soldiers of all faiths.
02/86-06/86: Ft. Knox, KY, Armored Training Brigade
06/86-06/88: H Co. 2/2 ACR, Bamberg, Germany
06/88-11/91: D Co. 1/5 Cav, 1st Cavalry Division, Ft. Hood, TX (w/time in The Desert).
11/91-04/94: L Co. 1/158 AVIM, USAR, Dallas N.A.S., Dallas, TX.
I never encountered any Chaplain, Officer, or NCO pushing any faith, or using their rank/authority to brow-beat, overbear, or intimidate any soldier of any faith into Christianity.
The worst I had to deal with was one guy in our unit at Hood, a party-time playboy who chased booze and cooze 24/7/365, until mid-August of 1990, when we were told to pack our bags to go to The Desert.
Fun-Boy suddenly found God in a serious way, and the worst he did was bore everyone to death always going on about how much he loves Jesus, and was praying for all of our safe deliverance from war.
This climate of religious intolerance you purport to have dealt with seriously doesn’t jibe with mine or anyone I’ve talked to Army experiences.
If he was, he’d need the shooter to fill out one of these. (you may have to zoom in to read all of it. It says navyform in the URL but its a DA form, A fictional one. )
You know what they say, there are no atheists in a foxhole.
For me it was Orlando NTC in the early to mid 80’s. I already posted the link to the previous thread citing widespread abuses.
I never encountered any Chaplain, Officer, or NCO pushing any faith, or using their rank/authority to brow-beat, overbear, or intimidate any soldier of any faith into Christianity.
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I don’t believe you.
Your own purported experience doesn’t jibe with mine or anyone else’s I’ve known from the military. I suspect that you just don’t notice it as much when it’s your own religion.
They may say it, but it’s bullshit.
I was NRP. I never went to Chapel once in the military; I went a few times at home on Leave, but I was being nice to my Mom.
I was friendly with several Chaplains, as that’s part of their job, but never once felt pressured by anyone to “conform” to any percieved dominant religion.
So what I noticed had nothing to do with “my religion;” I left religion at home when I left home at 18.
But kudos to your effort to try to guilt me by association.
Did you get the mandatory group prayers in basic? Did you have to clean heads if you didn’t go to chapel?
Dio, I respectfully submit, that your response is only your opinion. During the gulf war I saw guys that were hell on wheels in garrison break down and fucking cry for Jesus to save them during a SCUD alert. Off course, thats only my opinion and my small peephole into the army…no, the military as a whole. And I’m not being snarky, but if you were in the navy you may not have been in many foxholes. (not bashing the navy, just saying. I wouldn’t tell a sailor how my opinion of the atmosphere on a ship trumps his real life experience)
I don’t have any cites and I’m too lazy to look for them right now, but I have seen stories about religious fanatics (christian variety) trying to make it mandatory for soldiers to attend church. I am not saying its common, but it has happened.
All troops going to the desert are exposed to Arabic. Its part of the training.
20 years of active duty and national guard. I never encountered a problem either. Maybe next drill might be different. Or I’m lying :rolleyes:
No and no. The only time I was in the chapel was for a class early on in basic. I spent Sunday mornings sleeping under my bunk, pretending to make it tighter. The Drills didn’t care because they didn’t want to do anything on Sunday morning either. In my 4 years of active duty I never went to church. On my last 2 deployments I didn’t go to church. I never felt pressure to go. I never had anything bad happen to me because I don’t go to church. I’m not claiming that you are lying. I’m sure there are times when it might have been a problem for some people in some units.
Bump to give an update about eyewitness accounts and official military storyline.
It turns out that the female cop who was credited with taking down the shooter diden’t do it after all. It was a black male cop who brought him down and disarmed him.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/13/us/13hood.html?_r=1
I’m still not convinced of the “Allahu Akbar” story, although it is clear that he had gone into the deep end of religious extremism.