On behalf of everyone in his/our generation I’d like to say that I’m sorry for dalovindj’s nefarious vernacular. I promise that your future is in good hands and that not all of us hold the same beliefs and morals as this oblivious specimen. Hopefully he’ll grow out of this stage of his life.
dalovindj:
Do us a favor and kindly shut the fuck up until you learn how to communicate with the rest of the world. You’ll find out that in the real world (and even college, yes it’s only 4 years away for you!) that people don’t look too kindly on derogatory language, regardless if it is colloquial or not.
Don’t sell yourself short. Somethin’ tells me you got a secret stash of cool you keep handy. If not you can check out the instructional record “How to Speak Hip” By Del Close. It worked for my girlfriend in just 30 days!
Yeah. That’s the flava mixed in with the knowledge. That’s how we do it in Brooklyn.
Sauron:
Real music? Example please. I’m a rap fan. I’ve never been ofended by any music ever. I like Glenn Miller, Leon Redbone, Count Basie, Frank Sinatra, Dan Hicks, The Beatles, Zeppelin, Hendrix, Joplin, Barry White, Hank Williams (Jr. and Sr.), Black Crowes, Beach Boys, Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Eurythmics, Billy Ocean, Billy Holiday, The Isley Brothers, Parliament Funkadelic, and on and on and on. Liking one kind of music doesn’t rule you out from any other. What makes music art, is the emotions it inspires in people. I can guarantee that Hip-Hop makes alot of people feel really good. So good they can’t stand still. If it can do that, then it’s got props from me, whether I care for it or not.
Deskmonkey:
It’s a good point you bring up about liking the softer stuff. Gangsta Rap aint for everyone, but there is nothing wrong with it. It’s like seeing Die Hard. Alot of action, alot of people get killed, alot of cool phrases, and in the end it’s all just fiction. It’s fun and catchy and damn if it aint got that sauce. But within the hip-hop community there is alot of debate concerning the Gangsta lyrics vs. Consious Lyrics issue. KRS-One raises peoples awareness with his well thought out lyrics. Jay-Z just sings about cars and cash and bitches. You haven’t learned nothin’ by the end. Some think one form is more valid than the other, but I love em both.
I will say that it is definately hard to have dope beats AND conscious lyrics, so those who make it work deserve a ton of respect.
First of all, let me say that it’s quite possible that DaLovinDJ and I are in the same generation - I’m 20. However, I do not speak like that, and I never have. I listen to and love a lot of hip-hop, and I do not speak like that.
What the fuck, Yoda? You can’t even speak proper English and I’m supposed to take your advice on “urban slang?” I read your frequent references to “NYC” and I don’t buy it. 'Fess up, already: you’re from rural North Dakota, aren’t you?
I’m one of those kids (I was born a month before MTV), and I still think you’re an idiot. I used gay as an insult when I was in second grade, and I had to eat a mouthful of soap. So you aren’t impressing us with your “urban culture” or your hip vocabulary. You sound like a juvenile, incoherent, and thoroughly ignorant child. Not that there’s anything wrong with that in North Dakota, but on this message board, you come across as a dipshit.
And what the fuck do “school shootings” have to do with your poor vocabulary, or with how tough your life has been? How dare you use that sort of tragedy to defend your ignorance.
I’m not saying you can’t use gay as an insult. I’m just saying that you sound like a total idiot when you do.
Please, spare us all. I was raised in what most people would call the “ghetto”: Section 8 housing - government subsidized, in Baltimore City. My family was on welfare until I was 8, with both parents working full-time. I went to nasty ass public schools, recieved a subpar education, and spent 4 years of high school busting ass to make up for it. My father was a drug-abusing, abusive alcoholic. So yes, I know that the world is a tough place, especially in terms of living in a city. I don’t have “attitude like a
m[o]th[er] fuck[er],” I have manners, intelligence, half of an excellent college education, and an understanding of how to treat people. I’m going to guess that you are lacking in all four.
You are not “dope.” (I must point out that no one I know, of my age, in Baltimore, has used that word since 1989.) You are not offensive; you are silly and immature. If the purpose of this board was not to fight ignorance, none of us would have wasted any time on you or your inflated ego.
“Wow for an amateur you really look hard, but your really a bitch when you get it together call me here’s my card.”
DaLovin Dj
P.S. Oh and if need be, we can settle this shit on the turntables. Come on up to NYC, I spin around 10 nights a month in Manhattan, a few more out in Brooklyn and I aint afraid to battle. I’ve got 2 jams comin’ up this weekend if you wanna feel the flavor. Posers. We’ll see who gets the crowd bumpin’.
Nice offer, but we weren’t discussing your DJ techniques. We were discussing your ignorance. My God, are you really that stupid and self-involved? Are you now going to brag about the size of your penis?
I’d love to ass clown but I have more important things to do, like college! I go to college so that in four years while you’re out making your $250 (I’m being nice here) a gig and working the fry-o-lator, I’ll be pulling down around $50,000+ a year. Isn’t that dope? I’m pretty well versed in the art of music as well. Care to give me some of your thoughts on augmentation of chords, overtones, and the use of consonance and dissonance. Maybe then you’ll earn some props.
To DalovinDJ
A)Your point about the vitality of hip-hop is well taken. I’ve been a funk fan since since I got turned on to George Clinton and Bootsy Collins. There’s a power and inventiveness to the genre, and a wide variety of styles as well, from Lauren Hill to Dr. Dre to Chocolate Genius.
B) While one appreciates your desire to use slang and imitate the rap poetic style, your posts come across as moronic and illiterate. It’s possible to be a rapper and sound intelligent at the same time.
C) On the use of “gay” as lame. Don’t sweat it, my funky jungle bunny. Fuck tha PC crowd, you’re my black-ass, Ubangi-lipped, Alabama porch monkey.
Oh, don’t be offended: in my language, “jungle bunny” means poet; “black ass” means highly intelligent; and “Alabama porch monkey” means urbane gentleman. Oh, and “Ubangi-lipped” means you have a big, wooden disc in your lip.
For the humor-impaired: the last paragraph was a reductio ad absurdum argument.
Having met Mr. Dalovin at the most recent NYC get-together, I can vouch for the fact that he lives here and not in North Dakota. (By the way, Nacho, we’ve missed you! Glad to see you back and posting!) In addition to being a resident of Kings County, I would also add that he took on his role as Newbie In Attendance with great aplomb, and was a good sport about the goat, the branding, and the case of canned peaches in light syrup.
However, if you are so inclined to listen to a word of advice from a decidedly uncool matronly-type person, I would ask you to take the time to think this one over. It is true that gay is one of those words that means different things to different people in various contexts. I believe you are being truthful when you explain that you don’t use it to make any negative comment on homosexuality, but rather a Fred Flintstonesque goofiness. So, you might take up the fight and continue to use it that way on these boards. However, keep in mind that isn’t an issue of who is right and who is wrong. Clearly, some people feel differently about this than you do, and when you use it to show disdain for something, you are causing genuine hurt and distress to many people in this community.
PS I’m with Syclla, I think dalovindj’s use of language is amazing, and I love reading his posts. They have a great beat and are fun to dance to.
You dance to his posts?! That’s just weird. Since I’ll be working in NYC soon, I thought about swinging by to dance to the beats he drops, but posts just don’t do it for me.
Oh for cryin’ out loud. Gimme a fuckin’ break. Some people have a serious problem with humor. “Man, that is so dope,” doesn’t mean it is full of drugs. You know, a lot of words have multiple meanings, “gay” being one of them. If you can’t deal with it, tough shit. I’m a happy person, and homosexuals using the word “gay” to describe their sexuality offends me. See how stupid that sounds?
Yeah, now I’m certain it was from Fielding. I’ve been paging through Tom Jonesand [b}Shamela** I think it was in the latter.
Some women dresses to the nines and are told they look “gay.” The women is downcast and upset.
Maybe somebody out there knows the passage, but I’m halfway through Tom Clancy’s Bear and Dragon and after 472 crummy pages it’s finally getting interesting. I’d rather not put that book down and drudge through the two Fielding books again if I don’t have to, especially since it won’t prove my point.
The use of “gay” as perjorative in the context I’ve described may well suggest a usage saying that the woman looks like a prostitute, and not be meant as in “Pokemon, that’s gay.”
Anyway, I’d ask to be left off the hook. I swear if you make me reread these fucking books again, you will pay dearly if it takes me 100 years!
Anyway, here’s a usage cite:
Hhere’s a good look on the etymology of the word (good etymology link in general):
So, it seems that we have several seperate etymologies for the word that occured concurrently.
Certainly the simplest, from the French “gai” lends itself to the perjorative, and I’ll hope you’ll concede that such a usage is a likely enough evolution without making me dig further.
It’s kind of beside the point. dalovindj was doing just fine until I got sideswiped for his valid usage of the term. Since it clearly wasn’t intended as a knock against homosexuals, it looks like something of a cheap shot to me, especially since (IMO, anyway) he was doing a pretty interesting and high quality job making his points in Raparese or hip-hop language. I think it’s unfair to see his points derailed and have to defend himself because of this.
It is also completely beside the point whether he’s as counterfeit as Vanilla Ice, or as hardcore as that Snoopy-dog fella. He was doing a great and innovative job with both language and his logic, and whether you appreciate his style or not, it’s unfair to whack him on the head with the bigot mallot.
I’ve always had a great appreciation for people who can use language in an unorthodox or unusual style and still convey meaning, and you’re an educated enough man that you should as well.
Okay, it seems like we’re all on the same page as far as “gay” having dual meanings. No one is protesting that, AFAICS.
dalovindj said:
His use of “gay” was an insult.
So, the word “gay,” besides referring to people who are homosexual, is also a derogatory term used to describe people who are lame, uncool, etc., by dalovindj’s standards.
Am I the only poster who sees how those dual meanings can overlap? If I insult someone by calling them “gay” as in “lame,” how can that not reflect on the other meaning? How can that not confer poorly onto the word as used to describe homosexuals? “Gay” is lame, “gay” is uncool, homosexuals are “gay,” homosexuals are therefore lame and uncool. I have several homosexual friends, all of whom would be rightly insulted if I said “that movie was so gay” or “stop being gay.”
IMHO, dalovindj can use whatever words he wants. But people around him are going to get pissed. I’m certainly not going to respect him for his use of it, nor would I respect someone who called a white person a “nigger” and claimed that it meant something else.
One more thing: I am in the general vicinity of dalovindj’s age, I was raised in the inner city, I spend most of my free time in the city with people in my age range, and I have no fucking idea what this guy is saying. Maybe it’s a New York thing, but I hope to God the people who talk like dalovindj are the ones with whom I’m competing for jobs in a few years.
Well, meanings overlap all the time. It’s our job to derive meaning from context. It’s the writer’s job to make his word choices in such a way within context that meaning was clear.
In this particular case, dalovindj did both, and shouldn’t have been called on it.
I, personally think one should be careful of usage, not because meaning will be misconstrued but because if you the term at all ambiguously, many of the overzealous will give you a hard time for it.
That’s not right. As any overly happy homosexual dressed as a prostitute and playing Pokemon as a cover while we keeps lookout for thieving hoboes will tell you: “There’s nothing wrong with gay.”
