My credit union hates me

As some of you California dopers know, our illustrious Governator recently cancelled the increase in the Vehicle License Fee (the motor vehicle tax collected via DMV registration). Those Californians who paid the higher tax for the few months it was in force all got sent refund checks.

Problem: 7 years ago, I conveyed my car into a Trust. This meant that I transferred the title (pink slip) of this car into the name of the Trust. Now, I’ve received my refund check, but it’s made out in the Trust’s name rather than my own name.

My credit union, where I’ve had all my bank accounts for the last 11 years and with whom I currently have over 40 thousand dollars on deposit in said accounts, refuses to let me deposit this check to my own account. They refuse to let the trust’s Trustee (me) endorse it and deposit it, they refuse to let the trust’s Trustee (me) endorse it and cash it, they refuse to let the Trustee (me) sign the check over to myself in my own name, they refuse to let me add the Trust’s name to my account as an “alias” under which they’ll accept deposits, and they refuse to let me create an account for the trust that’s “attached” to my normal membership number so that I can deposit the check to said new account. I could create a separate account for the trust, with its own membership number, but then I’d have to pay account setup fees which defeats the purpose if all I want to do is deposit a check and close out the account. It’s not as though my Trust is a business trust or some shady “scam” trust like the Tax Protestors sometimes use – it’s a regular old garden-variety Living Trust, just like the ones they publish in those Nolo Press legal self-help books, just like the ones that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of Americans use as an estate planning tool.

And they’re being total turds about it. When I told them I wanted to deposit that check, they reacted as though I’d told them I performed medical research at a Nazi concentration camp. They did nothing to help me get at this money and everything to throw up road blocks in my path. They didn’t want to help give me ideas as to how this feat could be accomplished, they just wanted me to go away and leave them alone. They don’t seem to get this whole “customer” relationship thing.

Maybe they don’t want the money I already have on deposit with them. :mad:

Go back to the credit union tomorrow. Endorse the check and deposit it in your account. If the teller refuses, ask to see the manager. Tell her you want to deposit the check. If she gives you the slightest problem, say “I want to close all of my accounts with this institution immediately.” Don’t back down. Close all of the accounts, demand cash, and find another credit union. Fuck’em!

UPDATE: 3-1/2 months later

I thought about doing what silenus suggested, but first I decided to see if I couldn’t get the California DMV to re-issue the VLF Refund check to me in my own name. After all, if they’re sending out a zillion of these checks, I certainly can’t be the only person who’s come across this dillemma.

Furthermore, as soon as I received this check back in March, I realized that having my vehicles’ pink slips in the name of this Trust was a Bad Thing, and quickly went through the rigamarole of transferring my vehicles back into my own name. So, I figured that getting the check re-issued to the Current Owner of the car (me) would be a no-brainer.

Well, not quite. When I called the DMV, the lady who answered the phone said that they would only issue the refund check in the name of the registered owner at the time the registration fee was paid (i.e. the Trust). However, said lady at the DMV was merely the person who answered the phone. The terrible irony with bureaucracy is that the people who answer phones and interact with customers are the least knowledgeable about their own department’s policies. If they had the knowledge and brainpower to fully understand their department’s policies, they wouldn’t be stuck answering phones. So, I poked around the web until I found the California DMV website, and sent off an e-mail to their “send us your questions” e-mail address.

But guess what? That e-mail address was answered by an “automated” system that was about as intelligent as a box of rocks with Alzheimer’s. It saw the keyword “VLF Refund” in the body of my e-mail message, and responded by sending me a description of what the VLF Refund was. :mad:

So, the DMV wasn’t going to be helpful in this … but the name at the top of the check said “California’s State Controller’s Office,” so I figured maybe they might be able to help. After poking around on some .ca.gov websites, I found the State Controller’s Office and sent out an e-mail to their “send us your questions” address. Fortunately, this time, my message was read by a human being. He/she replied that I should send the check back to the State Controller’s Office P.O. box on the outside of the envelope, along with a copy of the form I’d use to transfer the car into my own name and a note explaining that I wanted the check reissued in my own name. Perfect! Problem solved.

Or so I hoped.

Two-and-a-half months later, I’d heard nothing from the DMV or the State Controller’s Office. I sent off a reply to the State Controller’s Office e-mail I’d received two-and-a-half months earlier, asking “What’s going on?”. He/she replied by saying that I’d supposedly followed procedure correctly, and should call thus-and-such phone number at the State Controller’s Office to see what’s going on. I called … and the first question they asked when I described the situation was “What was the warrant number on the check?”

The what?!

You know, the serial number at the top of the check. You did copy down that information before you sent the check back to the State Controller’s Office, even though they didn’t tell you to, didn’t you? :mad:

In any event, the lady on the phone said they would’ve re-deposited the check into their own account and then forwarded it to the DMV to have it reissued. She transferred me to some phone number at the DMV that she thought was appropriate. The lady at the DMV who then answered the phone blithely informed me that “We don’t do that.” So the State Controller’s Office said I could get the check reissued in my own name, but once again the DMV said no I couldn’t. :mad: Again, I figured the lady on the phone at the DMV might not know what she was talking about, but phone bureacrats will resist all attempts to get them to admit that they are wrong. She ended the call by getting my address and saying she’d mail me a standard form for reissuing a check. Maybe if she were wrong, I’d get lucky and there’d be a place on the form where I could put the name I wanted the check to be reissued under.

But, no such luck. Not only did the form have the name of my Trust hard-coded on it in stone, the only three options for why I wanted the check reissued were “It was lost or destroyed,” “It was stolen,” and “I never received it.” There was no option, not even a write-in option, for “I sent it back to get it reissued.” Sigh. I replied to the more recent State Controller’s Office e-mail saying that I’m clearly pushing the wrong bureaucratic buttons and would they please advise. I got no reply. :frowning: Evidently the first 2 times I’d gotten a response from the State Controller’s Office, I was very lucky and there was someone on duty who actually gave a damn.

Various scenarios swam through my head. If the DMV lady was right, they would reissue the check in the name of the Trust again. Maybe there was some place I could go where the DMV would cash their checks. Surely, there must be people in California who don’t have bank accounts, and the DMV would have to have a way to accomodate them. Of course, if I went to one of these hypothetical “DMV Check Cashing” locations, I’d have to prove that I was authorized to cash checks in the name of the Trust, but I could just show 'em the notarized Trust documents and that ought to be enough. That is, if I could get the DMV to reissue the check at all. There was still no place on that form for me to tell them that the check had been redeposited. Maybe I could call the DMV lady again and ask her what to put on the form in that –

Suddenly, there was a message on my answering machine. It was from another lady at the DMV, but this one evidently knew what she was doing. They’d forwarded my request back to the appropriate department at the State Controller’s Office, and would be reissuing the check in my name!! Woo hoo! Success! A ray of light in my darkest hour! She said the check would have to be issued as “<my name> formerly known as <the Trust’s name>”, for whatever bureaucratic accounting reasons they had, but that should be sufficient.

And just 3 or 4 days ago, I finally received this reissued check. I walked right up to the teller in my Credit Union – coincidentally the same teller I’d tried and failed to deposit the check through when it was made out in the Trust’s name 3-1/2 months ago – and told her “I want to deposit this check into my checking account. Will this ‘formerly known as’ notation be a problem?”

She saw the oddball Trust name and asked, “What happened the last time you tried to deposit this?” I triumphantly replied, “That time, the check was made out to the Trust only. This time, it’s made out to me, ‘formerly known as’ the Trust.” <smug> She accepted the check and it’s in process right now.

The adventure won’t be over until the check clears in the next few days, but with any luck, that will happen and all will be right with the world, they lived happily ever after, the end.

What a pain in the ass. Do you mind me asking how much the check was for, that you were willing to go to so much trouble?

That’s the one thought going through my head right now too.

Sounds like a nightmare. The really stupid thing is that it probably cost California a bucketful of dollars in wasted to-and-fro bureaucracy, phone calls, re-filings, you name it.

I don’t really see how a dollar amount is relevent. It was money that was owed to him. Hell, $20 would be worth it to me. It’s my money whether it’s a dollar or a million, y’know?

I don’t think it’s relevant in that sense, but it’s more like we’re sympathetic to the crap tracer went through, and if it’s only a small $ amount (in comparison with the elapsed time and amount of crap) we’re even more sympathetic. (As in, "geez, it’s taken 4 months, 15 phone calls, 3 visits for $20? What’s wrong with these people (i.e. the bureaucracy, not tracer, obviously :D)).

Okay, sure. I have no problem if tracer wants to post that type of information, I was just chiming in with my two bits.

I guess I misread belladonna’s “…that you were willing to go to so much trouble”. I’d go to great lengths to get money owed to me just on principle. I blame it all on a severe lack of sleep. :slight_smile:

In California, registration fees are based on the value of the car. If your car is kinda pricey, these fee refunds could be hundreds of dollars. Well worth the time and effort to get. tracer’s OP suggests that the car was 7 years old, so I doubt the refund was massive. But hey, sometimes it’s the principle that counts! :smiley:

OOOH, I got hopping mad about a similar banking situation once…
Just thinking about it again makes me :mad:

I am Trustee of a Trust set up FBO (for the benefit of) a Relative. The terms of my “trustee-ism” are very liberal: I can do whatever I feel is right with the money. Although I’ve never taken a cent as admin fee or whatever, technically I could empty it, pocket the $ and move to Tahiti if I chose to do so. (Of course I won’t.)

I don’t have a separate checking account for the Trust. I just pay any bills (taxes, accountants, etc.) from my checking account and wire transfer funds to reimburse these expenses from the main Trust account at the Big Investment Bank In New York where the trust money is invested.

A year and a half ago I received an IRS refund check made out to:
“[Trust] FBO [Relative]
[my name], Trustee
[my legal address]”

So I went to deposit it in my checking account to pay some recent bills I’d paid for the Beneficiary. Would the bank let me? I think you know the answer!

They said the check was not made out to me so I couldn’t deposit it in my account. I said who’s name is on the check as Trustee? And do you know the meaning of the word “Trustee”? (I also used the Tahiti example, but they didn’t buy it.) They insisted it wasn’t made out to me.

They wanted me to open a separate account in the Trust’s name and deposit the check there. I said who would be the signatory and get to sign the checks? They said Relative. I said, no she can’t have control over this (Trust) money, THAT’S WHY I’M THE TRUSTEE! They then said(I think) that I would be the signatory. I said so then I can just write myself checks for the money anyway and deposit them in my own personal checking account?

The teller made calls to the main office, or whoever they’re supposed to call for unusual situations. She was told even by the supposed expert that I couldn’t deposit the check in my own account. I tried to explain that it was made out (in part) to the Trustee (me) JUST FOR THIS REASON but they just assumed that I, the customer, but the non-banking expert, had no idea what I was talking about. They’re the experts, after all.

I finally got the manager involved, explained that I had both my personal accounts and the accounts for my 2 businesses with this bank and they really needed to find a way to solve this problem. Finally she said they would allow me to deposit the check in my account, but it’d have to be reviewed at the check clearing point and she “couldn’t promise” it’d be accepted for deposit. Yeah, whatever. I said “fine” and deposited the check. And guess what happened - it cleared just fine!

As an afterword, months later when I was back at the bank and had the same teller, I said - purely in the interest of information and perhaps educating her so she could do her job better the next time someone had this issue (I was very careful to watch the tone in my voice so it wasn’t coming across as “I told you so”) - "Just so you know, that Trustee check I deposited went through just fine.

Her snarky response: “Well, they have up to a year to return it if they decide to.” :smack:
Some people just don’t want to learn.

A whopping 48 dollars and 11 cents.

Yep, that’ll do it. It doesn’t matter that a Trustee, and the Trust he/she is Trustee for, aren’t separate legal persons like Corporations are. Banks don’t care. There aren’t enough individually-Trusteed Trusts around with money to spend for them to care. And if they don’t care, their tellers aren’t going to care either. Government bureaucracy pales in comparison with banking bureaucracy.

My dad established a Living Trust some time ago, and had the same problem. Fortunately, his bank allowed him to create an account for his Trust that was “attached” to his own account for no charge. If I’d actually created an account for my Trust at my Credit Union (assuming the Credit Union’s “crack legal team” even decided to let me create an account for my Trust), I would have had to pay a $10 account setup fee.

Your check was from the IRS, right? I wonder if the IRS had someplace you could go to cash your check in person, without needing a checking account. Heck, if I can just walk into the bank that a check is drawn on and have it cashed right there, there has to be a way to do that with government checks too.

That’s nonsense. As soon as the check clears, the money’s in your bank account, and you’re free to withdraw it. You can even close out your bank account completely. How would they “return it” if the account it was deposited to didn’t exist any more?

Maybe you should have just popped that puppy into the ATM instead of taking it into the branch. That sometimes really does work better; apparently not every check actually gets looked at.

For a time, when my father was ill, I was signing checks on his account to pay his bills and nursing home rent (thankfully he’s out of there now), I simply signed my own name, and wrote "Attorney-in-Fact under my signature, and every one of those checks was accepted by his bank. When his dividends came in, I endorsed those checks in the same way and put them into the ATM, and all the deposits went through, although I’m not officially a signer on the account. Whereas, I’m certain that if I took those checks to the counter and said I wanted to deposit them, they would have refused to let me do it.

FTR my parents’ checking account is also in a family trust, though they have stipulated that the checks continue to bear their names and not the name of the trust. I don’t know if that makes a difference.

Your parents’ checking account is for their Trust, but the checks they get printed up for that account have their own names on them?

Huh.

Does that account allow them to deposit checks made out in their own names, and checks made out in the name of their Trust? (And if so, why the %$#& won’t my credit union allow me to add my Trust’s name to my bank account as one of the “aliases” that it can accept checks for?!)

Oh, and I forgot to mention when I opened this thread:

When most people create a trust, they give it a straightforward name based on their own names, like “The Smith Family Trust” or some such.

In my case, when I created the Trust, I was informed that I could name the trust anything. So, it being lunch time, I decided to call it "The Adagio Pizza Trust".

I’ll bet if I’d just called it “The <My Name> Trust”, I could have deposited that first check without difficulty. :o