My daughter survives a death sentence

I’m not sure if it’s magical thinking to believe what your mother told you matter-of-factly. Magical thinking would be more like an invented idea of the power the kid has over events.

I’m always a little weirded out by movies where the kid plaintively says “Am I going to die?” and the parent says “Of course not, honey!” OK, if the kid saying it is already seriously ill, that’s quite misleading. And even so, of course he’s going to die.

Of course IANAP, but I could maybe bring myself to say “I hope not” and “Someday but hopefully not soon”.

I had a similar experience as a kid, I must have been 8 or 9 or so. A friend of mine had this fort. On the other side of the slough some other kids had a fort. I go over to my friend’s house, and the kids in the other fort had declared war. So we were throwing rocks at the other fort. Except one of the enemy kids had a BB gun. And I got shot with a BB. Damn, it really hurt.

Except I didn’t quite understand the difference between BB guns and actual guns. When you got shot with a gun you died. I had been shot by a gun. So I was going to die. I didn’t really understand why you died when you got shot, I just knew you did.

I laid down on the floor of the fort, wondering how long it would take. But I didn’t die. And I didn’t die. I sat there for about 10 minutes waiting to die. And then we had to go home. I spent the whole day having an otherwordly experience, hardly able to believe I was still alive, and unable to understand why I hadn’t died.

That was a weird day.

My father owned a Hot Shot Cattle Prod for, obviously, his cows. I’m not sure what the voltage was but it was smaller than the 9,000 volt ones on the ads, so I’m going to assume it was about 5,000 volts. That’s still more than twice the juice used in an electric chair (though presumably you’re not going to run it through somebody’s shaved and sponge soaked head for several minutes).

When I was little, probably about six, my brother and I were waiting in the car while my father tended to a sick cow. For whatever reason we, as boys will do, got into an argument that became a fight. My brother was twice my age and twice my weight so it wasn’t going well for me. I knew what the cattle prod was and I’d been told never to use it, but I honestly thought it had a voltage (not that I knew the word voltage) like a joy buzzer or a lamp-with-a-short in it- something unpleasant but not really harmful. Needless to say I grabbed the Hot Shot and hot shot my brother.

He screamed, then he got out of the car and just stood there acting confused, and then sank to his knees, and I was absolutely terrified. I thought I had killed him. I screamed for my father, I jumped out of the car, I kept thinking "Oh my God I killed him! I’m Cain! I didn’t mean to kill him! Shit I’ll never get that new GI Joe!” My father came running, and it all seemed like it took forever. My father was cursing a blue streak, took off his suit jacket (yes, he wore a suit when he was dealing with cows) and put it over him afraid he was in shock, my brother just kept mumbling and acting strange and I was crying. It was a not good very bad day.

Then my brother came around again. And he realized what had happened. And he had never really liked me much before (he had and has major Middlechild Syndrome and I was a much littler and much cuter little boy so it wasn’t in the stars, though at the moment the fault lay not in our stars but in my father’s cattle prod). I still remember- he got a feral look on his face and charged- my father couldn’t catch him, I started running but he had longer legs, and I knew I was in for the asskicking of asskickings. So two lessons from this day:

  1. Shocking your 12 year old brother with a 5,000 volt cattle prod is a very nasty and bad thing to do and it deserves- I would even say demands- swift and terrible retribution. Even for a six year old it is careless, irresponsible and absolutely inexcusable. Even so…
  2. To brutally assault your kid brother who is half your age, half your size, half your weight, who is very truly and sincerely terrified and ashamed and remorseful for what he has done, who is already in terrible trouble with your parents and knows it, who is pitifully begging your forgiveness, who is wishing with all fiber of his being he had never done it, who knows that you are capable of and have intention of clobbering him, and who is still holding the 5000 volt cattle prod that he now knows will not kill you, is just fucking stupid.

When my brother fell out from his second 5,000 volts my father just said an expletive, shook his head and said something like “I sure as hell saw that one coming… reckon why David didn’t? He’s the smart one.”

The Verdicts:

  1. In the matter of the first shocking it was determined that I was truly repentant and had learned my lesson and that emotionally I had punished myself, so I was let go with a mild “em-bare-ass-ing” token spanking, having the b/w TV removed from my room and not being allowed to watch the color TV in the den for some period of time.
  2. In the matter of the teasing and taunting and fighting that provoked the shock it was determined that my brother was at fault but the 5,000 volts were more than sufficient punishment.
  3. In the matter of the second shocking it was determined that I was not guilty due to self defense in the matter of clear and present danger due to the height, age and weight differential.
  4. In the matter of my brother’s assault it was determined that he was a) not guilty by reason of insanity and that b) the second 5,000 volts was more than sufficient punishment.
    The Parental Court further ordered that my brother and I were not to be together in a room or anywhere else without at least one parent present as the probability of retaliatory strikes was far too real. Of course in a large house on a large farm this isn’t altogether feasible, and so my brother struck a few days later and being the larger and the more athletic it didn’t go well for me. I of course did what any six year old would do which was approach my mother and sing like Sammy Davis, Jr., whereupon my brother was duly punished with a more than token spanking for beating up somebody smaller than him.

More than thirty years later my brother still tells his yuppie puppie kids “Y’all think I’m strict and unreasonable? When I was a kid your damned uncle tried to kill me with a cattle prod twice on the same day and I’M the one who got a whipping!”

The point: I hate revisionism.

You should have hired that one-armed guy on Arrested Development.

He could have grabbed the fence, had his prosthetic fly off with blood spurting everywhere, and convulsed uncontrollably at your daughter’s feet. Then he’d turn and fix her with wild eyes and say, “And that’s why you DON’T touch fences!”

Great story. We too had electric fences on the farm, and something that people might not realize is that it usually is not a steady current. Ours at least would send large pulses through the wire several times a second, so you would get a hell of a shocking, enough to scare the cows off, but you have enough time to let go before the next one comes along.

Now, we were all warned about the fence, but I know I got shocked several times anyway when I wasn’t being careful putting it up. (Did I mention it was portable. Strong enough to keep the thing electrified for a mile long fence, but the posts were portable. I spent a lot of time putting that thing up and taking it down.)

Anyway, one day my dad, my sister, and I were riding out to a field to move some cows, and it required going through the fense. Since there was no gate, you just pulled 1 or two poles out of the ground, and walked the horses over it. Only my sister wasn’t paying attention, and when her horse got up close, it put its head down to check out the wire. We yelled at her to pull on her reigns and get the horses head back up, but it was too late. Poor Brown Mare (Her horses name) stuck her nose down and got a shock! Oh, that made her jump, just a little though, she didn’t really buck. But that was enough to scare my sister, and when she gets scared she gets angry. At US, even though we warned her. So Lil Sis when back to the barn while we went to go move the cows.

And thats my electric fence story.
As for the people who think Scylla is a bad parent, you need to grow up and stop protecting your children. It didn’t kill her, and the odds that it would are pretty low, especially since she was being supervised. Kids have to learn that they can get hurt out there in the world, and to be more careful. I swear, I think that everyone should have to spend a few years of their childhood working on a ranch or farm to learn responsibility, work ethic, and where their food comes from.

I had the same “I did something bad and now I’m gonna drop dead” experience twice! The first time was with electricity even! I was plugging in the sweeper and had my fingers across both prongs (why? I dunno) and got quite a jolt. I went to my Mom and told her that I wasn’t gonna sweep the hallway, 'cause I was gonna die before I got done. The second time, I ate some raw ground beef that was thawing on the countertop. I ate it, it tasted bad, so I asked my mom why one wasn’t supposed to eat raw beef. She told me that I would get sick and die. So I told her I was going to get sick and die, then, she’d better call Grandma and Grandpa so they could drive out for the funeral.

My dad and brother told me that hitting my head would help me fall alseep, so for years when I couldn’t sleep, I’d repeatedly hit my head on something.

My mom told me that picking scabs would give me cancer, so I never picked a scab and freaked out if I saw someone else pick one. (I don’t know if she actually said that or if that was what I understood from what she said)

I grew up mostly normal…

Interestingly enough, I made myself think I might have skin cancer by picking a scab (actually an ingrown hair). It formed a scar that looked a little like a picture I saw of one type of skin cancer. Fortunately, when I showed my doctor, she immediately said, “That’s a scar, not cancer”.

As usual, Sampiro, very well done. I know that the lesson here is that children being shocked with 5-7,000 volts of electricity isn’t ever supposed to be funny, but we clearly have two examples here where some stories defy the odds.

Speaking as one of six hard-headed, stubborn kids I have to say that just explaining dangers to children isn’t going to do the job but experience will. My mother was practical, used simple terms and no embellishments or hyperbole but she still ended up at the doctor’s office with a bleeding kid more often than not. To our credit we never had the same injury twice-we were learning! Talking with my mom many years later she related she was well aware we were going to do what we were going to do depite her warnings, some things you just have to learn the hard way and it was then I realized that one of the best things she ever did for us was to let us.
Scylla’s girls are just fine.
P.S.

About this:

“I’m going to miss you, too. You shouldn’t have touched the fence.”

My family would so have said this… and kept me on the hook for a few more hours. :slight_smile:

Love the story, Scylla. As for criticism of your parenting skills, I figure most of us just do our best.

On the plus side, your words of warning will weigh more with her in the future.

I just hope that the shocking didn’t defibrillate and revitalize the evil parasitic twin living in Scylla’s daughter’s chest who now is growing… and must feeeeeeed. Though if it does she can probably get an Oprah/Larry/book & “___ Fanning is attached” movie deal from it.

Sampiro does it again! Holy shit!

I think the Scyllette will be fine. I’m betting in a few years, she’ll trick her little sis into touching the fence. (Which is probably what I would’ve done to my sister)

I know that there is a risk that my parenting will damage and/or permanently scar my children leaving them emotionally crippled for life.

This is a risk we are willing to take.

We’re pretty much the hyperbole family:

“Darling, clean up your toy room.”

“I don’t wanna.”

“Do it now, or else.”

“Ore else what?”

“Do it now, or else I’ll knock your head off with a shovel.”

“Oh, ok.”

That’s pretty typical.

The Mushroom Man lives under the stairs, and he has a tounge shaped like a spray gun. When little girls go to sleep he sticks his tounge in their noses and sprays the boogers in.

He’s kind of like the Sandman, only much grosser.

Yeah. Thirteen and fourteen year olds driving tractors is a lot more hazardous than any electric fence. And for that matter, horses, cattle and hogs can be dangerous. They aren’t necessarily out to get you, but things just happen when people work with large animals.

I’ve always considered that not so much a “risk” as a “perk.”

Actually, that is very close to my point. I think that most peoples upbringings are too safe, too sheltered. They don’t have to learn that there are consequences to actions. The quickest way people learn that lesson is through physical feedback. Growing up around those type of things, assuming you are properly supervised, you learn without being killed. I don’t claim this is possible for even a tiny percentage of people unfortunately, but it would be nice if it was.

I also know that all the people I grew up with on the neighboring ranches, the only one that died on the ranch was the son of a family that owned a vacation “ranch” that they didn’t run. And he died becuase he was using a three-wheeler without a helmut and flipped it while joy-riding. I am sure that there are a lot of agricultural accidents out there, but hard work doesn’t kill kids.

Is his name Scylla “Cy” Ben?

My son was only about two years old when he learned of the dangers of an electric fence…from me.

There were some nice holsteins on the other side of the fence, and I was going to show him how friendly they were by giving one a big handful of grass. I guess I leaned over the fence a little too far. The wire touched my chest.

The next few seconds or so are a bit blurry, but when reality reappeared, the cows were trotting away, and my son was looking at me wide-eyed.

I guess I showed him.

Do you ever threaten your daughters with your six long necks equipped with grisly heads, each of which contains three rows of sharp teeth?

Is he like the greens monster on Good Eats- can you pick mushrooms off him and eat them? Are they good mushrooms? :wink:

It’s all fun and games until someone gets their head knocked off with a shovel!

I tell my teen daughter that I know that my very presence, no matter what I do, will embarass her, and that I consider it one of the best parts of parenting.

Either my offspring will have thick skins and bad senses of humor, or they will be instrumental in some psyciatry student paying off his student loans. They’re leaning towards the former.