My dog was killed by a pit bull

This seems like the right place to put this. I mean, it’s relatively meaningless and pointless. I know, I know… we’re taxing the servers that allow us all to post these inane commentaries and questions, but I hope you’ll bear with me here. If no one’s interested, of course, the thread can simply die off. And, of course, if this happens to be the wrong forum for this, please, Mods, feel free to move it as you see fit.

Yesterday, our dog died. I know this isn’t a unique situation. But he died as a direct result of an attack by another dog, a pit bull terrier.

Our dog was 11 years old (we think). We got him from the local pound in 1993, and they had said he was about 3 years old (our vet had this opinion as well). He was a midsized beagle with butterscotch markings, rather unusual colors for a beagle. At any rate, he was the smallest male dog in our neighborhood.

Three months ago, I moved from New Jersey to Maryland. The dog remained with the rest of the family. This past weekend, the family drove the three hours down to Maryland to visit me, leaving the dog in the care of a neighbor. My family left on Monday morning around 9 am; at 9:15 I got a call from that neighbor, saying the dog had escaped. This isn’t terribly unusual, because beagles are born running dogs. Usually, he just runs around for a couple hours, then comes home. We’re always afraid he’s going to get hit by a car, but sometimes chasing him only makes it worse - he thinks it’s a game. Since no one would be there for a few hours and since our neighbor is an older man (and I didn’t want to worry him, either), I said not to bother looking for him.

That evening, my family called. Here’s what happened: While our dog was tied up outside on his run, the pit bull was being walked by his owner. Our dog, of course, barked at the other dog (he hardly ever barked, usually just at male dogs - a territorial thing). The pit bull got away from his owner and tore after our dog. The woman ran back to her house to get her husband, and when they returned our dog had been very severely beaten. There was serious tissue damage, broken ribs, the works. The owners picked him up and looked for a hospital - this was early in the morning on a holiday, no less. They found one and admitted our dog. This is why our neighbor did not see him when he looked out the window - our dog was in the hospital.

Well, it was a tough fight, and he came through the surgery okay, but his heart finally gave out. I really don’t show my emotions very often, but when I got the news yesterday evening I broke down in hysterics. I’m sure those of you out there with pets know this feeling - pets are family, and having them die in any way is bad enough. Having one die as the result of a murderous rampage by a dangerous animal is another.

We are going to strongly recommend that the pit bull be put down. I’m sure some of you are saying, “Hey, don’t blame the dog. There are no bad dogs, just bad owners.” I agree that when dogs are born, they’re not inherently bad - it’s training that makes them into killers. Pit bulls are generally bred to kill. They’re not bred to be guard dogs, like German shepards; they’re bred to attack. I simply cannot let this particular animal to be in our (my former) neighborhood. This is also not the first time the dogs of these owners have attacked our dog. It is, however, the last.

Again, I respectfully ask that if this is the wrong place to post it, then please move it to another forum. If it shouldn’t be posted anywhere, I’ll understand; please just lock the thread. I really needed to get this off my chest.

That is absolutely horrible. I’m very sorry about your dog. And the pit bull (particularly when it had attacked before) should not have been a position where it was able to attack your pet. Not that saying so helps, of course. I am really sorry and sad for you.

Dan, that’s awful, and I’m very sorry to hear about it. My dog was attacked by a bigger dog a few weeks ago, and though he wasn’t hurt, it was still an incredibly frightening experience. I know what it feels like to lose a pet, and to lose one in that horrible of a fashion must be awful. I feel for you, and hope that you and your family are doing alright.

It’s not a good feeling, of course, but one of the most miserable aspects of this ordeal is that I am living 3 hours away from everything. I felt completely helpless. It’s somewhat like having a child who travels overseas to fight a war. If he is injured, there’s nothing you can do about it but wait for news, and that’s all I could do, too.

Thanks for the kind words. :frowning:

I am very sorry Dan. Losing a loved pet is always hard.

Any dog that kills another dog for no reason is dangerous and should be put down. I don’t care what kind of dog it is.

If you can do anything to make sure the dog is put down please do it. It could attack a child or a pet again. If they won’t put the dog down I would suggest you threaten to sue the owners. They are paying the vet bills aren’t they?

Oh…I am so sorry.
It is hard to lose a pet, especially one that has been part of the family for so long.
You have my condolences, and, FTR, I do not think this thread is inane or pointless.

Rose

Yes, they are. They offered to from the start, and I am going to make sure they do it. These aren’t small bills, either. And if their homeowners insurance carrier gets wind of it, they may be dropped there - who would carry a family who owns a proven-vicious animal? I sure wouldn’t. Anyway, yes - for our purposes, the bills are to be paid.

Of course this isn’t pointless or meaningless. I don’t have anything useful to say, but I just had to tell you how sorry I am that this happened. The other dog should be put down, since it’s obvious that its owners aren’t able to control it.

A large doberman/shepherd mix once tried to attack my 8-month-old border collie pup while I was walking him on a leash. The dog’s owner was standing in his yard yelling, but it paid no attention to him at all. That dog at least had enough regard for humans that I was able to keep it at bay until its owner dragged it back into the house. Animal Control came by and talked to the owner after I called them the next day, but nothing was done. That same dog attacked a little girl down the street two months later and bit her badly enough that she needed surgery on her arm.

It may not be the dogs’ fault when they turn out vicious, but there’s no place in a neighborhood for a dangerous animal.

The last time this happened, my mom was walking our dog when the other one came tearing out of his yard and attacked him. That escapade landed ours in the hospital for a few days. The dog had literally picked up ours with his teeth around our dog’s midsection and threw him around. Needless to say, there was a lot of infection.

A few years ago, our dog had gotten away from us. He quickly found the biggest dog in the neighborhood and started his sniffing routine. I caught up to him and got between them - the huge dog on his run, mine not. I separated them. I wouldn’t ever blame anyone for being afraid of dogs, but the best way for me is to jump in and let them know you’re a human, dammit. You’re above them on the evolutionary scale! Of course, you still do this with a lot of caution. These are animals. I fully expected to be bitten, but I wasn’t. But I do think that most dogs will calm down a little if they see you assert yourself in some way.

I can’t imagine what you’re going through. I have two dogs myself, one over 10 years old, and I have no idea what I’ll do when they finally leave me. Just try and remember the good life you were able to give the dog, and all the happy times you had together. Maybe have a wake for him. But don’t let the memory of his death overshadow the way you remember his life.

You might even want to share some stories on here about him. I’m sure he was a good dog.

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You know, if you change dog to human then you’d probably start a war. Just an observation… not debating. Though I have heard people use similar analogies for humans.
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Anyway, Dan, I know how you feel. Many years ago, my dog got hit by a car and died while at my aunt’s house while my parents were away. The funny (as in strange) thing is my parents didn’t want to leave the dog home with us kids because they thought we wouldn’t take good care of her. Anyway, the only way we got over the dog was to get another one. It helped a lot, maybe you should think about it.

I wouldn’t mind that at all. However, my apartment complex doesn’t allow any pets (I guess if you were really, really nice and all you might be allowed to have a teeny cat or something). The dog was living where he’d been for the last 8 years - on a rural/suburban property (my family’s). I don’t live there anymore. :frowning:

It’s possible - and no one’s discussed this yet - that they’ll want to get another one. I suspect that before they did that they’d have to be absolutely sure my brother (who is only 15) would want to take care of it. We got this last dog when he was only 7, and there were two other brothers there to help!

Thanks again for the kind words, everyone. Good to see this isn’t just one big Pit. :slight_smile:

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*Originally posted by c_goat *
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[random thought]
You know, if you change dog to human then you’d probably start a war. Just an observation… not debating. Though I have heard people use similar analogies for humans.
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I don’t see the comparison. I was talking about dogs not humans. You could change the word dog to fish, monkey, lightbulb, truck or President Clinton. I wasn’t talking about anything but dogs.

A dog that attacks another dog viciously enough to kill it for no reason is a dangerous dog. Dangerous dogs should be put down. If they aren’t they will attack other pets and very often people. That animal could have killed a child and might if something isn’t done.

Sorry Zumba

I was just remarking about how the underlying principle can change depending on the subject. The main idea is that something is dangerous and very likely would harm someone again so it should be removed (killed). I just thought it interesting that if that something is a human, suddenly some would say that it shouldn’t be removed, but reformed, or locked away for some time whereupon release (or parole) it could harm again.

I didn’t mean anything personal towards you Zumba, I wasn’t trying to imply anything about you or your beliefs, nor was I trying to start a debate or hijack the thread. Just some food for thought really in addition to what I had to say about the OP.

I am sorry too c-goat. I didn’t mean to sound harsh.

If someone would like to debate my belief that dangerous dogs should be put down I would be happy too. We probably should start another thread for that though. (and be warned that I am not a very good debater!)

Once again Dan, I am very sorry about your loss. And, I wouldn’t blame you if you went out of your way to make sure that their home-owners insurance company knows about their dog.

Dan, I’m so sorry. It’s so sad to lose a pet.

I’d amend what you wrote and say that dogs can be born with a bad temperament. Good breeders know the temperament of their dogs, and don’t continue lines where aggression is shown to be a trait. Good training plays a role, too, but there really are some dogs (in any breed) who are more likely to go after other dogs/people. Combine this trait with a breed that has the power and instincts to kill, and you’ve got potential trouble. I’m in no way condemning any certain breed. I’m just noting a fact. Breeders of dogs known to be “meaner” or “biters” or whatever should be even more diligent than others about breeding for gentle temperament.

I am heartened to know that these owners are trying to do the responsible thing vis-a-vis locating care for your dog and covering the bills. They deserve a lot of respect for that. Too many owners would go into the “hunker down, deny everything, and get a lawyer” mode, leaving your dog and your pocketbook to suffer. Whatever else happens, I hope you’ll get a chance to tell them you appreciate this.

I don’t know about putting the dog down. I lean towards yes, but I don’t know who is in a position to order that be done. If they do not put the dog down, I think you should request several things. (1) That they contact the dog’s breeder to let him/her know that this happened. If the breeder is worth a damn, s/he will be interested in this information. Perhaps this has happened with other dogs in this line, indicating an emerging problem. If these people got it from some scumbag backyard breeder or a petshop, well, that person won’t care but they should still notify them. (2) That they agree to never let the dog out of house without a muzzle, and/or a collar that permits more control. We happen to use a prong collar with our dog (who is not dangerous, but is an obnoxiously powerful puller). A prong collar is not cruel, but it does make it easier to restrain a dog. A muzzle is self-explanatory.

I am so sorry about your dog. One of mine was hit & killed right outside my house on Friday night. I posted a thread about it because I felt so horrible for not checking that the gate was latched…I received a lot of comfort from this forum & my IRL friends. I’ve been a forever dog owner and know how hard it is. Hugs to you & your family for taking in a shelter dog, too.

I agree that a dog that is this unstable and aggressive should be put down. It’s very sad for everybody involved, and I’m glad the owners are being (somewhat) responsible. Having owned and fostered numerous dogs, including two utterly fabulous Rottweilers, I am very against any breed-specific legislation, but am for stringent sanctions against irresponsible owners and untrained, dangerous dogs.

Sorry Dan. That’s really rough.

Awwwwwwwww thanks, Carina… {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Carina}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

I do agree that it all comes down to responsibility. Sure, pit bulls can be predisposed to having ferocious tempermants, but it’s the responsibility of the owner to train the animal to be sweeter. You can always train a puppy to be gentle, to have him or her repress their ferocious side.

I’m sorry to hear about your dog, Carina. :frowning: I suspect that you’re not at all like the irresponsible owners, though. :slight_smile:

Cranky…(may I call you Cranky?)

Yes, it’s certainly a good thing that the owners of the other dog took action and didn’t run away. They could have, and I’m not forgetting that. But since this has happened in the past with this dog - and another dog of theirs! - I can’t classify them as Good Samaritans just yet.

As for who can order that the dog be put down, that’s mostly up to them. My impression is that they’ll make that decision based on what’s happened. I mean, we’re not talking about a normally docile dog suddenly going postal. We’re talking about a dog that’s vicious now and has been vicious in the past, that has attacked our dog in the past. If you knew your dog had a mean disposition, and you also knew he or she had attacked other dogs, wouldn’t you be extra careful when walking him? You probably would not be surprised if he pulled on his leash and took off, and you probably would not be surprised if he brutally attacked another dog.

Now, I know I’m very biased here, but if our dog a) was a mean canine and b) had a history of malicious behavior and subsequently killed another dog, I would very seriously consider just this action. I think. I know, I know, it seems unfair to blame the dog for an irresponsible owner - but dogs do know right from wrong, to a degree. They know if they bring a dead rabbit to you and you yell at them, then that’s a bad thing.

Anyway, that’s an issue for GD, and like I said I’m so biased on the subject I’m sure I couldn’t discuss it rationally. :slight_smile:

Dan,
You may want to make sure the local police are aware of this. The border collie around the block from me bit 2 kids, and now is not allowed off the property without a muzzle, even when the owner has it on a leash.

     We also have a beagle around the block that likes to run. Digs under the fence and wanders. My dog saw it just last week in the yard next door and set up a howl, but the beagle ran away, and that was enough for Maggie, who didn't try to chase (she was going for a walk).