My first pit: AI's Melinda Doolittle

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[QUOTE=Liberal]
Actually, it is. With an annual spending power of $2 trillion (10 times the annual spending power of young adults), and representing 70 percent of the nation’s net worth — not to mention that we spend more than $29 billion each year on gifts (including CDs) for our grandchildren — it shouldn’t come as a surprise that boomers spend more money on music than any other demographic.
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First, you’re making a gigantic leap from boomers having the most cash to boomers buying the most music. By this logic, boomers should be spend more on everything that relates to entertainment, and I am fairly sure, without having to provide proof, that that is simply not true.

I would argue that iTunes makes more money for the recording industry than CD sales. Besides, music sales are a very, very small percentage of an artist’s revene generation, these days.

Second, that link is tenuous at best. It is without citation and cannot be verified. Because two people say it’s true, it doesn’t make it so.

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
Second, that link is tenuous at best. It is without citation and cannot be verified. Because two people say it’s true, it doesn’t make it so.
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At least I gave a link. You made a claim without any citation.

But since you insist on digging in your heels, here is an article from Business Wire, a trade journal: Baby Boomers Spend More On Music And Clothes Than Generation X, which finds young adults in “[t]he music CDs/tapes category, spending $24 or less, compared with Baby Boomers who were heavy spenders in this category, spending more than $100.” And in general, “Boomers outspend the other ages in every category”, according to another trade journal, Retail Traffic.

If you have anything of substance to offer to the contrary, feel free ‘cause, you know, just sayin’ it doesn’t make it so.

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
Because two people say it’s true, it doesn’t make it so.
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However, it is more likely to be true than an assertion by only one person.

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[QUOTE=Liberal]
At least I gave a link. You made a claim without any citation.

But since you insist on digging in your heels, here is an article from Business Wire, a trade journal: Baby Boomers Spend More On Music And Clothes Than Generation X, which finds young adults in “[t]he music CDs/tapes category, spending $24 or less, compared with Baby Boomers who were heavy spenders in this category, spending more than $100.” And in general, “Boomers outspend the other ages in every category”, according to another trade journal, Retail Traffic.

If you have anything of substance to offer to the contrary, feel free ‘cause, you know, just sayin’ it doesn’t make it so.
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Nice dodge. Let’s try this another way.

Why don’t we look at music as a whole, you know, because that’s a product. A plastic CD is not. Going further than that, the recording industry is doing an excellent job these days in making the actual music a sub-product, with the personality and/or image being the parent. Agree? If not, read no further, because the disconnect is clearly too large, and reasonable discourse and debate will be permanently and hopelessly deadlocked. We’ll agree to disagree. If so, the read on…

Music is clearly aimed at one consumer: the teenager. It has been that way since the 1950s. Do you need a link for that? If so, I suggest taking an undergraduate survey course on media and television, because a link will most likely not do you any good. Because that is their target, do you think record producers – especially those who produce the same type of music represented by successful American Idol winners – care about what you think because it may be your actual money that they count toward their revenues? If so, you’re delusional at best.

The fact is this: the recording industry does not care about you, as a baby boomer, they only care about those who will persuade you to make a purchase.

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[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
However, it is more likely to be true than an assertion by only one person.
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Your statement makes absolutely no logical sense.

Because two people say the sky is green, it is more likely to be than if only one person says it? Wha?

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
Nice dodge. Let’s try this another way.
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So you’re just going to ignore every cite — including those from trade journals — that directly contradict your own unfounded and unsupported claim? Sorry, but I ain’t playing the passive-aggressive game of demanding cites and then ignoring them. I’m afraid that won’t work here. This is the Dope, not FARK.

You said, “Who buys records? It’s not baby-boomers.” You were wrong. As the figures from Business Wire show, Boomers spend almost five times more than others on records. Suck it up, and stop digging an ever-deeper hole.

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
Your statement makes absolutely no logical sense.

Because two people say the sky is green, it is more likely to be than if only one person says it? Wha?
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Way to try to misdirect the debate. You accused Lib of supporting his opinion with only two cites. How many did you offer to support your own?

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[QUOTE=Liberal]
So you’re just going to ignore every cite
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No, I’m just refuting your points.

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[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
Way to try to misdirect the debate. You accused Lib of supporting his opinion with only two cites. How many did you offer to support your own?
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I didn’t misdirect anything. Your statement was moronic. I called you on it.

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If the OP had really wanted a pitworthy thread, he might have pointed out that Celine Dion will be doing her duet-shtick with Elvis on Wednesday’s American Idol.

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
I didn’t misdirect anything. Your statement was moronic. I called you on it.
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Dance faster, your faulty arguments are catching up with you. You are just trying to avoid supporting your claims by attacking others. You have offered unsupported opinions, nothing more.

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[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
Dance faster, your faulty arguments are catching up with you. You are just trying to avoid supporting your claims by attacking others. You have offered unsupported opinions, nothing more.
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Attacked others? Where? I attacked statements. Can you discern the difference?

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
Attacked others? Where? I attacked statements. Can you discern the difference?
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You still haven’t answered Lib’s request for any kind of supporting cites for your argument.

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[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
You still haven’t answered Lib’s request for any kind of supporting cites for your argument.
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Again, where have I attacked others?

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
Again, where have I attacked others?
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I am amused that you demand from me what you refuse to provide to others.

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[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
I am amused that you demand from me what you refuse to provide to others.
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Again, where have I attacked others? The thread only has 53 or so posts. It should be easy for you to find.

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
Again, where have I attacked others? The thread only has 53 or so posts. It should be easy for you to find.
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Why should I?
**Liberal 1

DudleyGarrett 0**

So let it be written.

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[QUOTE=Fear Itself]
Why should I?
**Liberal 1

DudleyGarrett 0**

So let it be written.
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You actually made a claim against me personally. Either apologize for what you accused me of and rescind the your statement.

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[QUOTE=DudleyGarrett]
You actually made a claim against me personally. Either apologize for what you accused me of and rescind the your statement.
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Should read: Either apologize for what you accused me of OR rescind the your statement.

Personal attacks are not allowed here, it clearly against the rules.

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I think we’re done with this hijack. If you want to snipe at one another, the Pit’s all yours[sup]*[/sup]. If you actually want to have a debate about baby boomers and their spending habits, feel free to open up a thread in GD. This thread, however, is about discussing AI and Melinda Doolittle.

[sup]*[/sup]Yes, I’m aware of the irony of telling people to hash it out in the Pit when this thread started there; however, since a Pit thread about this thread and the Mod decision to move it here, is already open, there’s no sense in moving this one back. Which means, you gotta play by the rules of Cafe Society.