Yeah, well, we parents of kids on the spectrum are pretty fucking tired of trying to make things work for our kids within the school system as well. It was infinitely simpler when I homeschooled my older kid. i didn’t have to manage his issues alongside the issues of other kids on the spectrum and deal with crap from kids in the general school population. Certainly since he chose to go back to school, I’ve seen him learn social skills but he learnt different social skills while being homeschooled.
Actually I’ve had a bastard of a day and I’m really tempted to ask **Carnick ** how it would have worked if his wheelchair were removed in school if he had rammed other kids with it. Kids on the spectrum without social skills and support are struggling.
Well, I was reacting to ggurl’s first post. In light of the new information, I humbly retract what I said. I’ll read the entire thread next time I post, I promise.
I don’t get your analogy, though. If I rammed people without provocation I’d probably deserve getting my wheelchair taken away from me. This thing doesn’t hit lightly, I could probably break a few legs if I tried.
Oh and since I’m here I might as well share my own bully story. In high school I had this mentally retarted kid named Umberto who tormented me endlessly. He would grab at my controller and force me into the lunch tables, smashing up my feet and legs while the kids around me laughed. I complained to the Principal, but she said they couldn’t do anything because Umberto was retarted and didn’t know right from wrong (then why did he always run away when teachers came?)
What if they break the frames and send the edge of the lens into the eye, or a part of the frame? 12 year olds CAN strike hard enough and fast enough to break a construction, sending parts into the eye region. You’re too busy sneering and trying to pick apart my statement to see it though. :rolleyes: Whether the frames are metal, or plastic, or the lenses are cheap glass that shatters, or expenisve sportsmans’s plastic, it isn’t good to have such a thing broken near the eyes. My last set of lenses (before I got lighter ones) were made out of glass, they didn’t fit the frames very well, and my left lens fell out and shattered on the floor. I had no choice at that time, I had to get glass, not only because of my astigmatism, but because I needed photogrey lenses. (I saved up to buy that option, my medicine makes me photosensitive. The medicial card wouldn’t cover the new techonology, featherweight lenses that can be photogrey treated. I eventually saved up enough to get a set on my own.) I do know what I’m talking about.
Yep, and the OP stated that her daughter had a cut, with bent glasses too. She also stated that she managed to bend them into some semblance of shape, but that implies that they are still misaligned. If the school does nothing about this, take it to the next level. Twelve years old is of an age to learn that things like that are not going to be allowed. Indeed, the boy probably knows it already. Another thought, sometimes the person who has been persistently bullied ends up blaming themselves for their injuries, becuase their self esteem is so low. You might look into that, see if you can find out exactly what happened. Your daughter may hold far less blame than has been insinuated here, and less blame than she places on herself too.
That is a legitimate problem, though more likely than the glass breaking :rolleyes: , it could actually happen.
Well, the floor isn’t the fist of a 12 year old. I doubt a grown man could punch the lenses of glass even if it were fixed against a wall or other immovable object. A persons face is not, however, an immoveable object, and the face, with head and body attached, will go flying MUCH sooner than the lens will “shatter and send pieces into the eye,” as you so stated. Don’t believe me? Take a physics course or something. You would have to strike the glass with superhuman speed to break the glass before sending the head flying back, thus absorbing the impact. I doubt even Bruce Lee could do this.
Sorry, but you obviously do not. You may know a lot, and are obviously intelligent, but your statment is ignorant, and wasn’t well thought out. You can try to weasle out by talking about the frame, but your statement did not say the frame. Your original quote:
Bolding mine. Or perhaps you meant a lens could drop out, strike the ground, shatter, and the bully could kick pieces of glass in her eye? Uh huh, sure.
Well, strange as it may sound, I am relieved to hear that she may be developementally delayed. I was stuck on the she is 12 bit, because the incident sounds like one that would occur with 7-8 year olds.
Obviously, this is more than a one off, and as such, needs more attention on your part and the school’s part.
Franky, good luck with the school–I think highly of our teachers here, but have nothing but contempt for the administrators. They still seem to think that ignoring any problem will help it go away–and the “it’s good for them” theory still abounds, unfortunately.
If I were you, I would abide by my kid’s wishes here. 12 is a sucky age for girls, anyway–the spectrum of developemental differences is incredibly wide. IMO, the boys who thought this up also show marked immaturity and probably some possible ADD/LD issues as well. I am not saying that harassment by boys toward gilrs doesn’t happen in 12 y/o’s, but usually it takes another tack–bra snapping etc. but that’s another thread.
Does she have any friends or girls she could hang out with? (or boys for that matter). Could she come home for lunch?
Our middle school gave up recess 6 years ago, to the detriment of the kids, but that’s yet another thread…
I’ve seen it. Couple times. Big bush parties, lavish amounts of alcohol, and hormone-fuelled attendees can be recipes for disaster. One of the victims was my brother. Couple cuts around his eye, nothing major because he was lucky. The lens broke more than shattered. Other guy, I don’t remember much, it was many years ago - all I remember is that he didn’t lose his eye. Be surprised what can happen when you snap a punch. Or the other guy does…
Just FYI. Anecdotal data points only, of course, but I thought I’d let you know.
I would ask how long ago this anecdote was. Back in the 70’s and 80s they didn’t have the materials technology and the glass lenses were much weaker than they are today. So yeah, it might have been able to happen once, but now, doubtful. Basic 79 dollar lenses as American contact and eyeglasses are shatterproof. You can’t afford 80 bucks and have to use hand me downs from the 70s, ok, there is a disclaimer for you.
It would also depend on the strength of the prescription (some of em are pretty thick), how old the glasses are, and if they had small microscopic stress fractures in them to begin with.
While I have no clown is this rodeo (don’t you think that has a better ring to it than “no dog in this fight”?), I will point out that all of the details that were in the second post would have been wise to include in the first. Perhaps then the OP wouldn’t be asking to be reminded not to blow off steam in the Pit. In fact, I would go so far as to say that the second post changes the entire meaning of the rant and can not guess why that information is not included.
All of that said, excluding the specifics of the OP’s case, I think that the notion that we are overprotecting and overdiagnosing our kids (is autism the new ADD?) is worth thinking about.
On a totally unrelated note; who was the banned poster that always had the " o_O" on his posts and returned as a sock several times?
Most kids on the spectrum need support and social skills training to survive in the playground – the analogy is between the chair and the social skills training. It’s not the best analogy in the world granted. I was pissed off last night.
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Oh and since I’m here I might as well share my own bully story. In high school I had this mentally retarted kid named Umberto who tormented me endlessly. He would grab at my controller and force me into the lunch tables, smashing up my feet and legs while the kids around me laughed. I complained to the Principal, but she said they couldn’t do anything because Umberto was retarted and didn’t know right from wrong (then why did he always run away when teachers came?)[/QUOTE]
That sucks. Schools can be such bloody horrible places.
Ignoring ggurl’s second post and your later retraction for a moment, how would her description of events in the OP make the girl a “brat”? She was surrounded by a bunch of guys, and only shoved her way through them to become un-surrounded by the guys. Assuming there were no special issues like Aspergers, what would you have the girl do? Stand there? Run and have the boys chase her?
Perhaps. My brother’s incident was hmmmmmm. Early '90’s. Relatively new glasses - they were about six or seven months old when it happened. May have had said microscopic stress fractures, as he is a mechanic/practical engineer. Dropping them on concrete would do that.
But you see, it’s not something that one can afford to assume what you said about it either. Most people with glasses drop them. Some of us drop them a lot. Bet that causes said fractures as well.
T’other guy, fair cop. I was a drunken teen at the bush party at the time, which could perhaps account for the fuzziness of it all, and it would have been the early eighties.
Since the girl wasn’t near any teachers, we’re taking her word piped through her emotional mother. She says she was “surrounded by bullies.” No one was there, so no one can really know what happened, but I called bullshit. The fact was that she pushed first, making HER the bully in my eyes.
Of course, ggurl added in more information that the boys have been physically abusing her for a while now (fingers in the locker door? Ouch). That was pretty important info.
We do…my planet is the overly sensitive state of California. The police (from the actual city the school is located in…not rent-a-cops) are actually called before the parents. Statements are taken from both parties, and charges (and monetary fines) can result if the injuries are noticable and/or serious or if it is a repeat offense.
Catsix, that was a runaway train that roared through here about 20 years ago…and it won’t be slowing down anytime soon.
Eh? Oh, Americas Contact and Eyeglasses is just a pretty common retail eyewear place. They have IME the cheapest frames and eyewear and free eye exams with certain programs. You don’t have Canadas C&E?
Anyhow, perhaps I am wrong in assuming an adult male cannot break glasses. I still stand by that a 12 year old boy cannot.
Anecdotal data points only, of course, but I thought I’d let you know.