My Turning Red experience (Super long, ABSOLUTE SPOILERS!)

So I learned from my usual YouTube and Twitter sources how Turning Red caused this huge firestorm. Other than a few Saberspark respondents, it seemed that nobody was neutral on this, it was either love or hatred. The detractors delivered a great deal of cabbage-brained twaddle about “unrealistic” and “Cal Arts” and “unrelatable” and “cringe”. (I swear, I used to see the word “cringe” maybe once or twice a year, and in two thousand and twenty-two it’s being used like a freaking apostrophe.) The positive reviewers, on the other hand, mostly spoke about how this was relatable to them, and…yeesh. Every time I hear “Wow, my Asian mother was also an impossible-to-please tyrant, ha ha ha ha ha!” the impression I’m getting isn’t heartfelt solidarity but a strong impression that the world would be better off if the whole continent was resettled by, say, Africa.

As is usual with these raging controversies, there is one perspective I find prominently missing, i.e. mine. So, having determined that all the wrong people hated it and a large number of the right people loved it (including this one, of course, I resolved to watch it…just as soon as it came out on DVD, which is a thing that was almost certain to happen, right? Well, wouldn’t you know it, I was in Best Buy, intending to just look at this and that before picking up a pendrive and being on my way, when there I saw it. Not two months after it started streaming. Even had a 4K version!

So I watched. :slightly_frowning_face: Hoo boy. It was not easy.

All right, I’m not a big movie buff, but my experience with this work was so radically unlike anything I expected that I decided that for the sake of my mental health I just have to get catharsis. So here it is, scene by scene, blow by blow. This is probably the only time I’ll ever do this, so just be warned, it’s getting long. So long, in fact, that I have to split it up. Again, I’m picking apart the entire movie, so very strongly recommend turning back now if you didn’t see it yet. And if this ends up in the Pit, I’m cool with that.

[deep breaths] Here we go.

0:46 – We begin with a montage of photos our heroine, Meilin Lee, “Mei” for short, and her parents. Her very first line is “The number one rule in my family: Honor. Your. Parents.” This is a sentiment which, real or fictional, automatically throws up gigantic red flags for me. The last photo is in the year this movie is set in, 2002. Specificity is apparently this great sin to the aforementioned cabbagebrains, but I never had any issue. Then again, the concept of “things that were big at the time” isn’t too much for me to grasp. :roll_eyes: (Aside: What I don’t like is the skirt-and-pants look. What is even the purpose of the skirt in that setup?)

1:27 – Very, very fast intro sequence where Mei asserts her independence, “bus adulthood” (13-65), and three “besties”, one of whom reads a vampire novel, and friendly reminder, this movie is shot from the perspective of a 13-year-old Canadian girl and you just have to deal with it. The interaction with these three characters, Miriam, Priya, and Abby, are the primary source of the movie’s “cringe”. Oh, Miriam is the slightly awkward one, Priya is the unemotional deadpan one, and Abby is the screamer who likes to hit things. I don’t obsess over race, so you’re on your own there.

2:43 – We learn that Mei is an energetic overachiever and a fantastic student. When I first learned about this, I thought this was a great thing. This was before I learned that Mei had an unhealthy obsession with success, caused at least in part by her mother, and it was creating serious psychological problems which would be compounded exponentially by the events of the movie, but I’m getting ahead of myself. :slightly_frowning_face: One of the clips shows her block a shot from a basketball player with a nasty attitude, later identified as “Tyler”, and accidentally toss his ball onto the street, whereupon a passing truck promptly renders it non-regulation. He takes immediate offense and chases her off the court, intent on doing bodily harm. Keep the hostility of this exchange in mind; it will become relevant later.

3:41 – The gang briefly ogles Devon, a dull-eyed convenience store clerk (Foreshadowing! :grin:) before discussing a weighty matter, the latest boy band sensation 4 Town. Little fantasy scene with doves and sparkles and whatnot. As the bulk of my early aughts were spent struggling horribly to get and keep a job, any job, and sinking further and further into existential despair as one promising lead after another came up empty, developing massive irrational hostility toward manufactured pop bands wasn’t high on my priority list, so kindly forgive me if I’m unable properly rage at 23 seconds of cheese. :roll_eyes:

4:50 – And we’re introduced to the central conflict of the movie, Mei not being truly independent and having to cut things off with her friends due to familial obligations. Next “cringe” moment…dancing which involves the hips. If you watch any reality TV whatsoever, you’ve seen this stuff a hundred times. Sheesh.

7:00 – Enter Mei’s mother, Ming. She comes across as overexcitable and overprotective but still mostly a good person. That will change. (Aside: I know Sun Yi’s supposed to be a red panda hybrid, but I can’t look at that picture without thinking of …well, her.

8:13 – Mom and daughter work together to clean the temple they live and work at and chase off a trio of hoodlums. Ming threatens to call their mothers, which comes off as cute but is actually an ill omen. Then they conduct a tour. It’s strongly hinted that their love for each other is genuine. That will change.

9:27 – The father cooks! Yeah, uh…having a father who cooked for my family for many, many years, I am completely unable to find humor in this. Sorry. :man_shrugging: Mei and Ming enjoy appetizers and watch a Chinese drama in the meantime. Ming says “He should’ve listened to his mother!”, which Mei agrees with, and I know this doesn’t come across as a dire omen, but trust me, it is. A commercial for 4 Town’s North American tour comes up, whereupon Ming promptly shows her complete ignorance of the world she lives in, and yeah, that hit way too close to home. :grimacing:

11:00 – The next “cringe” moment, Mei doing a pencil drawing of…crap, what’s his name again [checks notes]…Devon holding a bird. She’s clearly in denial over having a crush on him. She does another drawing, this one of him very gently (and nervously) holding her. And then of course mom chooses this exact moment to pop in with a snack, and obviously Mei accidentally leaves a corner of the notebook sticking out, and duhhh, mom finds it. I’ve seen less ham-handed plotting on Tom and Jerry. :angry: We see a second drawing, this of Mei and Devon touching each other’s faces. These, incidentally, are supposed to be “lewd” or whatever crap, and judging from all the vitriol you’d think they were on the level of my numerous $22 DVDs featuring beautiful, fit, extremely nonmonagamous women doing highly specific physical activities. :roll_eyes: Ming gets completely discombobulated and immediately accuses Devon of doing something bad to Mei.

12:58 – Haaaaahhh. :woman_facepalming: Up to this point, Ming has been your typical high-strung go-getter. Skirts the line of “bad parent”, but doesn’t cross it. Here is where she blasts over that line in a bullet train. She tears right over to the convenience store to confront Devon and shove the drawing into his face. In front of a pretty big crowd for that time of day. And guess who else is very inconveniently here: Tyler! He’s very clearly raring for an chance to subject Mei to mortifying embarrassment, and Ming is about to give him exactly what he wants. She babbles some deranged gobbledygook about 17 year olds not wearing sunblock and doing drugs all day. Oh yeah, a third drawing, this of the clerk as a merman, which, as any idiot knows, is a means of avoiding sexualizing someone. (And let’s throw a Big No in, because everyone loves tired cliches, right? :angry:)

14:00 – All right, I want to make absolutely sure everyone gets this. Ming just took Mei’s private fantasies and exposed them to a roomful of total strangers (whom she was utterly oblivious to), including one who has been very strongly hinted to be Mei’s worst enemy (which we later discover he is), and spewed out a bunch of nonsense guaranteed to make her sound like an utter kook, and afterward she acts like she did Mei a goddam favor. :rage: And of course she just left the drawings with Devon because WHY THE HELL NOT. :rage: We are a little over a sixth of the way into the movie and Ming just outed herself as a raving fanatic with nonexistent judgment and zero situational awareness. Heck, she acted like an outright psychopath. This is a person we’re supposed to sympathize with. :rage: Back home, cue a bout of self-loathing, guilt, and paranoia on the part of Mei, just more good clean family fun. :rage:

15:15 – Following a couple of ominous portents and a nightmare induced by Ming’s recent bout of spastic rage…thanks for that too :rage:…Mei makes a shocking discovery! That’s right, her t-shirt and shorts are not lying in torn tatters on the floor! :grin: (Yes, I’m fully aware what the damn rating is; I just find it humorous that her clothing always conveniently appears and disappears as needed without taking the slightest damage and no one every mentions this. I’ll take my humor where I can.)

17:13 – A few seconds for Mei to come to terms with her sudden sports mascot-izaton, and…oh yeah, here it comes. :grin: “Did the red peony bloom?” Comical misunderstandings and Ming offering painkillers, a hot water bottle, and pads follow. (Oh, the dad’s name is Jin, BTW.) Of course, since double entendres, euphemisms, and misunderstandings being about sex, sex, sex has been ingrained in our culture for decades, you get the usual morons blabbering about how this is adult stuff or whatever. Folks…no. No it isn’t. This is at the level of a sitcom. And of course, since mom never actually uses the word “menstruation” or “period”, you can always pretend it’s something else. Seriously, girls have periods young now; this is not an inappropriate subject. Might I add, this marks the only time in the movie that I found Ming at all entertaining.

18:53 – She tries to sleep it off, and she discovers that calming her emotions can reverse the transformation, and dang, did it really only take two minutes? Did mention that this movie proceeds at an absolutely blistering pace?

20:00 – Ooh, lovely, first day back. So after the worst night of her life, she now has to walk on eggshells the whole day, plus Ming thinks she went through that other change, and on top of that her hair has permanently changed color so she has to wear an unseasonable ski cap. Geez, what could possibly

21:39 – Oh, right, Tyler. :angry: Now he has all the ammunition needed to make her life permanently miserable, starting with putting one of her drawings on a locker. We see… :rage: him… :scream::scream::scream:

I’m sorry. I just can’t. And I’m baffled that with all the noise about “inappropriate” this and “cringe” that, there’s been next to nothing about the repulsive worthless gutter trash SLIME whose actively trying to make Mei’s life miserable and ABSOLUTELY FREAKING NOBODY EVER DOES ANYTHING ABOUT. Yep, spoiler alert, the people who should be protecting Mei are doing COMPLETELY JACK-ALL about an incredibly disruptive force in their school! And it’s already been established by his very first appearance that he’s a bully, meaning that in the future he’s going to escalate. This scene should have a damn trigger warning. I grew up in an age when the Baby Boomers had the whole country in the iron grip of apathy, obliviousness, and rampant self-absorption. Schools were pits of anarchy where discipline, where it existed at all, was applied haphazardly and vindictively. This was an era where a child could act like a spoiled, disruptive, infant from birth to literally the very last day of high school and be IGNORED IGNORED IGNORED…

…I have to stop now. My hands are getting too twitchy to type. Damn these punks and every goddam one of their enablers to Hell. :rage::rage:

All right, let’s pick this up after Ming acts like a creepy stalker and assaults a security guard (or “helicopter parenting” :woman_facepalming:), then brandishes a box of pads like it’s freaking Excalibur, which pushes Mei over the edge and causes her to change in front the entire class.

23:50 – Chase scene. :running_woman:

27:10 – Exposition time! The ancestor Sun Yi used the power of the red panda to protect her village from attackers, and she passed that on to all her female descendants. Mei takes this badly, her usual response to being manipulated by forces out of her control, and…hoo boy. Mom never mentioned this earlier, BTW, because she thought that watching Mei like a hawk could delay the onset, proving that making completely brain-dead decisions is not new for her. :angry: “Fortunately”, there is a cure, but it must be performed during the next “red moon” (no one ever explains what this is), on May 25. Mei is completely distraught as she goes to bed. Swear to Reimu, if this movie gives me any more emotional whiplash, I’m going to need surgery.

31.48 – Her friends show up, discover her horrible secret, and briefly freak out…very briefly. Like, five seconds later they decide that she’s just adorable. Mei is still distraught, but the crew manages to come up with the perfect pick-me-up…4 Town a capella. :woman_shrugging: Aww, is that genuine affection? And what’s this, it turns out that the power of friendship can hold back the transformation! :astonished: (It’s Pixar, don’t think about it too much.)

35:01 – [taps her upper arm] “Abby, hit me.” [Abby punches her in the face.] :rofl: Oh, that was superb. :+1:

36:11 – A few tests for Mei to prove that she can keep the panda under control. I consider this a convenient excuse to show a box of kittens. Whatever it takes.

38:01 – Ming absolutely refuses to let Mei go to the concert, whereupon we learn that she has the standard ignorant snooty attitude toward young entertainment and is very likely racist as well, which puts the tally at one point for Overprotective But Well-Meaning Mother and about eight for Vile Rampaging Neanderthal. :angry:

39:20 – “Where does she get that from? Treating her own mother like that.” “Ming, it’s your mother.” “I’m not here!” (This is the first time we hear Ming’s name, BTW.) Ming’s mother, who is apparently the only person Ming is afraid of, disapproves with how Ming’s handling the panda situation and is bringing in the cavalry. Her name is never given, so I’ll just call her “Gramms”.

39:57 – Ah, a “sport” where children of wildly varying physical abilities throw large pieces of rubber directly at each other full bore, another thing the Baby Boomers were perfectly fine with since they weren’t the ones limping off in pain! :rage: And of course that subhuman stinking pustulent slime mold Tyler is here, and he ducks at the perfect time to avoid :rage: and Mei gets ejected :face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth: moving on.

40:58 – Mei is understandably bitter that she’s been a good girl all these years and did everything Ming wanted, only to get denied what she wants. The crew decides to rebel and go to the concert together anyway. Now the question is how to get the necessary $800 (whoa :astonished:). Abby needs the panda to help. Some other girls see Mei in panda form, Mei is scared…but the girls love the panda, one thing leads to another…time’s a-wasting!..and they use the panda to make the money, all according to Hoyle. :slightly_smiling_face: Mei pulls up a calendar with the current date (1st), concert date (18th), and red moon ritual date (25th) helpfully marked out, and the merchandizing blitz is on! Man, kinda wish Ala Moana still had its Disney store so I could witness the fitting irony firsthand! :wink:

46:14 – The gang takes a break from the whirlwind capitalistic enterprise. Doing great but still $100 short. And…Tyler’s back. And you’ll never guess what he’s got up his sleeve. That’s right, some good old-fashioned BLACKMAIL!

Did I mention something earlier about escalation? Man, so many flashbacks about “They only want attention! Just ignore it! Ignore it!” Because that, I quickly discovered, is the Boomer answer to everything. And a few years down the line when the undisciplined, unrestrained, unchecked, unwatched clump of raw sewage shoots up a diner or sells state secrets to Russia, what’s the inevitable response? CONTINUE ignoring it! It’s bliss, you know! :face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth::face_with_symbols_over_mouth:

Anyway, Tyler’s throwing a party, he wants the panda, $200, yada yada.

48:20 – Excuses…Ming wants to come along to what she thinks is a Mathletes thing…Ming won’t shut up…bleah. Luckily (?), Gramms and Ming’s four sisters arrive just in time. The aunts are varying levels of rude, clueless, and overbearing, which is the grand total of what I feel needs to be said about them. :angry: Gramms is…unsettling, which fits nicely with how she’s going to be for the rest of the movie. Oh, and the Mei-less party is a bust and Miriam is sweating bullets.

51:40 – Mei manages to slip away and is about to head for the party when Gramms pops in. Now, we’ve been given no reason to believe that she’s the spoiling, common-enemy type of grandparent, but…oh, geez. :slightly_frowning_face: She’s the constantly bitter, arrogant, hates absolutely everybody type of grandparent, who scolds and scowls and insults and barks angry commands and always looks on the verge of throwing a punch. (Good Yukari, that face could shatter a window.) She pins the blame on the bad relationship between her and Ming on the red panda and gives a dire warning against ever using the panda again.

52:51 – Back to the party, which still sucks. Mei arrives and tries to fudge it with her temple costume; no one’s buys it. Without Tyler’s two-small, one of the crew can’t go to the concert, but they very quickly (or at a normal pace for this movie) decide that it’s simply not an option, so…panda on, yeah. “Just one last time.”

55:18 – As Gramms and company breaks for the night, Gramms pulls Ming over and reiterates the need for a strong hand to control Mei (:face_vomiting:), and Chun Li’s bracelets, this movie’s totally loading the bases for a truly horrific conclusion, isn’t it? And of course Ming effortlessly stumbles across samples of panda merchandise Mei shoved under her bed because why make an effort now, huh? :weary:

57:10 – Tamagotchi, which was a thing in ’02 and definitely is not now! POW! :fist: And now, serious talk. Mei’s besties, Miriam, Priya, and Abby…the only people in the entire movie who have shown her any compassion whatsoever, BTW…don’t want her to give up the panda. Ever. Mei is tempted, but decides that she can’t defy her mother’s wishes. Tonight has to be the end.

58:18 – Uh oh, it’s the “wahh wahh waaahhh” moment! An announcement comes over the radio reminding everyone to go to the 4 Town concert on the…25th. Abby pulls out the schedule and learns that she mixed up Toronto with Toledo! (Toledo? That’s gotta be embarrassing.)

59:05 – As Mei is in the middle of this wrenching dilemma, Tyler…whose tone, if you can believe it, is even nastier than in his first scene…rudely demands that Mei come down. The exchange gets heated, and Mei finally has enough, calls off the deal and walks away. Tyler…apparently still oblivious to the fact that Mei is presently far bigger and stronger than him, insults her, Ming, and the temple. Finally Mei can take no more and throws him to the ground in a rage, marking what is undoubtedly the first time Tyler has faced the consequences of his actions in his entire worthless life.

59:53 – In my younger days, when I was regularly tormented by a variety of assorted blights on humanity, I’d sometimes wonder: Who could raise such toxic waste? Having grown up with parents who would’ve taken a crowbar to my skull if I did anything a tenth as toxic as those putrid infectious diseases did, I couldn’t even imagine what the parents could be like. Well, we see a perfect example with Tyler’s parents…polite, clean-cut, salt-of-the-earth educated professionals. Just perfectly decent people who don’t know the first thing about parenting, and they’re utterly clueless about what the kid is doing. Just like me, actually…well, except that I never had any kids. I don’t attempt things I’m grossly incompetent at, especially when my incompetence would cause harm to others. And as far as I’m concerned, anyone who does is the scum of the earth, no matter how clean their shirts are or how nice their lawns are or how much they donate to the police ball. Ming has to apologize to them for Mei doing the job they should’ve been doing for the past thirteen years! This scene was pure agony. And to cap it all off, Ming blames Mei’s buddies for leading her astray and cuts her off from them, which Mei, still too afraid to defy her mother, passively accepts. All of which, of course, is completely legitimate plot point which is needed to shape the final narrative. :rage::rage::rage:

Seriously…all this arglebargle about how periods or selling your image is inappropriate for children to watch. Where’s the outrage at Tyler acting like an abusive, manipulative jerk and then getting to play the victim? Where I stand, that is downright offensive. Again, I’ve heard almost nothing about Tyler on the forums, which is just another sad reminder that this garbage has been ignored for so long that it’s become invisible.

1:02:00 – The big day. Mei’s shellshocked crew tries to make the best of the big concert they worked so hard for, but it’s clear that their hearts aren’t in it. Back to the pre-ritual dinner, where Gramms looks at the 4 Town lights over the SkyDome and declares “Four is the worst number!” in case you needed another reason to have massive misgivings over her. As shaman Mr. Gao and the others leave to get ready, Gramms barks at Jin to clear the table, who snaps to attention and does what he’s told. At literally no time in my life did I ever have the capacity to find humor in this. :angry:

1:03:38 – By chance Jin sees one of the panda videos on a camera and brings it over to his daughter. The sight immediately fills her with more self-loathing (geeeeezzzz… :rage:) Jin, who’s been a prop up to this point, regales her with the story of the time he saw Ming’s panda. It came out during a terrible fight, which happened because…“Your grandma didn’t approve of me.” :astonished: Holy…that just adds a layer of messed up to this family. An in a completely unexpected twist (for me…again, I don’t watch that many movies), he’s actually against the ritual and thinks that Mei should keep the panda!

1:06:24 – Circle. Last-second instruction. Chanting. Red moon. It’s happening. Mei finds herself in an otherworldy bamboo forest (not this one, presumably), and encounters Sun Yi. She’s about to do it. She’s about to give up her…and then the memories of the short time she’s had this strange power hit. She decides that her bond with her friends…again, the only people in her life who don’t ignore her or treat her like crap…matters too much. She’s keeping the panda!

You know what, time out. Lost in all the talk about “respect for elders” and “being your own person”, here’s a rather critical factor no one’s considered: Tyler. He hated her to begin with, he has abject contempt for everything she stands for, and he’s not afraid to get physical. And he’s learned that everyone with any power to stop him not only absolutely will not, but will make excuses for him, including Mei’s own mother. The only thing…literally THE. ONE. AND. ONLY. THING…that can protect Mei from him is the ability to turn into a large terror that can beat the crap out of him. If she gives this up, there’ll be no hiding this from him…it’s in her hair! So we have a slug, a creep, a bully, who’s allowed to run wild and free, and Mei is once again a nerdy girl who can do half a cartwheel. What’s the most likely scenario? My guess would be Tyler smacks her around, no one does anything, Tyler smacks her harder, no one does anything, Tyler rapes her, his parents deny everything, Tyler murders her, his parents continue denying everything, and ultimately Tyler either puts out a succession of wives with black eyes or he brings a machine gun into a roomful of uppity feminists, and the whole city acts all shocked and asks how this could have happened. :man_facepalming:

1:10:10 – Mei, pandaed out again, defies her family and heads for the door. They try to stop her, but it’s a doomed cause. Mei wants to go to the concert and nothing is going to stop her. As Ming hits the floor, cracks appear in the pendant around her neck. She’s angry at Mei’s defiance. No…furious. And more cracks appear.

1:11:18 – Mei repeatedly poofing between her human and panda form as she bounds through the streets and rooftops, which I’m told is a Batman thing, but actually reminds me more of The Tick. Whatever, it looks cool. :ok_hand: She is absolutely overjoyed. Soaring into the SkyDome through the partially-opened roof (which of course should be 1. illegal and 2. suicidal, but who’s counting at this point), she meets up with her buddies. Miriam is miffed that Mei threw them under the bus, but…kiss-and-make-up with the Tamagotchi because we don’t have time for anything, least of all this.

1:12:48 – Gadzooks! Tyler is at the concert! So something hiding the fact that something overcompensating for something because something something something! (Seriously, at this point learning that Tyler is a hypocrite is like learning that Jaffar is a lousy tipper.) The whole crew is surprisingly welcoming given how their most recent encounter went. Miriam points out that Ming is probably pretty furious by now, which Mei laughs off.

1:13:07 – Oh. Crap.

1:13:20 – Concert starts! Bright lights, dazzling effects, massive outpouring of love from the fans!

1:14:35 – All right, let me explain exactly what is going on for the benefit of the viewers who seem to have trouble grasping basic reality. What you are seeing isn’t an illusion, nor is it some Calvin and Hobbes-esque shifty reality where something is a repulsive fiend for one person and a harmless inanimate object for everyone else. Ming really has transformed into a rampaging 200-foot-tall horror and is marching to the SkyDome in a fit of uncontrollable rage. Furthermore, tearing open the roof of the SkyDome and demolishing the 4 Town sign wasn’t meant to be a metaphor; she really did cause massive damage to a very large building in a matter of seconds. And while that monster leap inexplicably didn’t cause tremendous damage to the floor or seriously injure anyone (maybe it’s an ancient feather-foot technique, I dunno…), she is causing mortal panic among both 4 Town and thousands of concertgoers who, I remind you, who had nothing to do with this family drama and don’t deserve a microgram of this. (One of them grumbles about what a ripoff it was to shell out $200 for a 75-second concert.) Barring a miracle, Mei is about to die, and given that Ming still blames Miriam, Priya, and Abby for Mei’s corruption, there’s an excellent chance they’re going to bite it as well. (Given how insanely strong Ming is right now, there are a number of ways she could do this and keep the movie rating-appropriate.) Probably unlikely, of course, depending on how much of a future Disney actually wants for these characters…park attractions, merchandise, tie-ins, etc., but I really got the feeling that this was it for a number of good people. Jin at minimum.

In other words, all the noise about how this movie is “teaching disrespect for authority” is absolute garbage, and literally anyone who reached this point in the movie and is not freaking blind can realize this. If showing blatant disrespect by biting her on the hand and wiggling her butt in her face is what it takes to prevent a titanic uncontrollable terror from razing an entire city and slaughtering thousands and thousands and thousands of people, Mei is damn well going to do what must be done. Knocking her for disrespecting Ming is like knocking Luke Skywalker for disrespecting the Death Star. And unless this cockamamie plan works…and it’s Pixar, so yeah, it probably will :wink:…the response from Canada will not be to make a sincere effort to understand the difference in cultures or defer to Ming’s respected vocation, but to deploy a large number of vehicles which fire lots of explody things.

1:17:18 – Yeah. Butt wiggling. That’s the truly outrageous part about a kaiju wrecking the SkyDome. :roll_eyes: Make another circle, running, fleeing, let’s just skip to the part where…

1:18:26 – Whoa. Y’know, it’s been a while since I studied physics, but I’d think that a headbutt strong enough to knock out Ming in her current state would also forcibly expel one of Mei’s rather important organs. Of course, that terminal velocity entrance, not to mention any of the Super Dave Osborne-caliber bumps she took in this battle, should’ve done the same, so we can safely surmise that she, at least, gets to live.

Circle’s in the wrong place, aunts gotta drag her over, 4 Town sings which helps somehow, let’s just get to the big “payoff”…

1:21:55 – Back to the bamboo forest, where Mei runs into Ming…as a child. We learn the source of her rage…she always had to be perfect. But no matter what she accomplished, she was never good enough for her mother. So…so…

Crap. And there you have it, the cycle of abuse. Mother abuses daughter. Daughter is too weak to fight back but needs to lash out at someone, so she abuses her own daughter, and that daughter abuses her own daughter, and on, and on, forever and ever.

1:23:47 – Gramms hugs Ming. I imagine the sentiment is along the lines of “If I show you more token displays of affection, will you kindly stop demolishing buildings? Because that really is not a thing anyone should ever do.” (Aside: Where the freak did this come from? Nothing we’ve seen from Mei’s grandmother prior to this point indicated that she was capable of compassion, or remorse, or regret, or contrition, or…heck, anything besides sneering condescension! I know that movies are edited to death nowadays, but gaps like these are just jarring.)

And now Ming is ambivalent about Mei keeping the panda because they’ll be “losing” something. Or their relationship won’t be the same. I don’t know what the frag they’re talking about here, but given how royally messed up both their mental states were for the entirety of their relationship, I can’t see how change can be bad here.

1:27:54 – So instead of Ming getting blasted to bloody chunks by Canada’s finest, she’s merely going to be in massive crippling debt for the rest of her life for her extremely wrongheaded rampage against the SkyDome! What a happy ending, am I right? :roll_eyes: (and most definitely :angry:). I’m not sure if reinforcing a ridiculous ancient superstition via Gramms losing a poker hand with 4-4-4-4-A was a smart move, but gambling is a pretty stupid thing to blow money on to begin with.

Ugggghhhhh. How bad was it? I got multiple headaches from watching this damn movie. This was the most physical pain I’ve experienced from any visual work of entertainment that didn’t have excessive motions or flashing lights.

And the worst part is, aside from the parts that gave me headaches, this really is a very good movie! The girls are believable and fun to watch, Jin is perfect in the “timid ineffectual nice guy who manages to do good in the end” role, Mr. Gao is a great underrated supporting character, the concert (what little there was) really had the feel of a $200 spectacular, the montages were a blast to watch, and the whole clash of cultures is handled organically and doesn’t overwhelm the story. But I don’t truck in yeah-buts, and expecting me to brush aside bringing up the constant waking nightmare of my childhood and playing it completely straight is just not going to happen, and tossing in a rushed kiss-and-make-up that looks like it was thrown together in 15 minutes isn’t going to fix everything.

Yeah, I’m well aware that I’m probably the only one who thinks like this. The worst part is that it’s going to be hard for me to critique this movie on YouTube without someone lumping me in with the cementheads grumbling about adult content or rebellion.

Is this a Pixar thing? (I found Cars confusing and annoying, Tangled heavy-handed and unsatisfying, and Moana just plain tedious, but I didn’t hate any of them.) Or am I just too old? I’ll admit that I don’t watch many movies to begin with, and almost nothing recent (the latest was 2015’s Vacation, to put it in perspective; I have the new Ghostbusters but haven’t gotten around to it yet). I grew up under the rusty iron fist of the Boomers, my generation was the hardest hit by bullies and other unbridled jerks in history. There was zero discipline and zero damns given. Most parents couldn’t spell discipline. And in the 90’s, when most of my generation had just escaped the hellhole of high school and the cartoons of the era were geared to us, they reflected that reality. We hated bullies. They were portrayed as the garbage they were and got no sympathy. Even when they were protagonists, like Eric Cartman, pretty much everyone hated them. And on numerous occasions, they had to pay dearly. Heck, Animaniacs had a cartoon (“Bully For Skippy”) where the whole message was that the Boomer methods of dealing with bullies were worthless and the only thing that worked was hurting them worse. Heck, when Hi Hi Puffy Amiyumi had the superheroes comfort the beaten bully, it was played as a joke. The idea that a slug could poke the bear and not expect harsh retribution would have struck the writers of Tiny Toon Adventures or The Critic or The PJs as demented. I do not get this. At all. Has our entertainment done a complete 180 on this and I never realized it? It’d be nice if I saw this discussed more.