My van was totalled last night. I feel sick.

I loaned my van to a neighbor and friend last night. His truck needed a lot of repair and I let him take the van so he could run to the auto parts store as needed, a mile away. I told him to keep the van until morning rather than bring it back to my house, then walk four cold, dark blocks back to his.

I’m an early riser and was asleep by 10 pm. Woke up at 5 am to find a raft of missed calls and texts. Apparently he got into an accident a little after 11 pm, about five miles away. I have no clue what the fuck he was doing down there. And…he was arrested! No clue why. His mother has his phone (one of the messages was from her, from his phone) and now it’s shut off…I don’t know how to reach her. He also called a mutual friend, who called me - I’ll call her in a little while.

The police were not helpful. They tell me they probably won’t get the accident report until Monday, so can’t tell me anything. My totalled van was towed and I can’t get into it until Monday, either. My wallet and all sorts of things are in it. It’s an '01, so, no comprehensive insurance. I checked the police operations facebook page and according to what’s written there, the driver of the van was at fault.

Neighbor doesn’t make much money; no way he can pay me for the van. I’m also mad at myself because I loaned it against my better judgement…but he said he was just running it to the Auto Zone, a scant mile away on mostly residential streets. I believed him. He’s trustworthy enough that he has a key to my house so he can let my dogs out if I’m gone for a long day.

I feel absolutely ill. And fucking furious. Thankfully I have another vehicle so I’m not stuck. But shit shit shit.

Crap, what a crazy, horrid thing to wake up to. Sorry this happened. I hope you can update us on what happened, I’m really curious. The facebook post didn’t clear much up. Glad it wasn’t your only vehicle, though that doesn’t help you from that sick feeling and dealing with the aftermath.

Thanks…I just got done talking with the other friend he was able to call last night. She doesn’t know any more than I do, she said he sounded extremely upset (well duh) and I’m so furious I don’t even want to SEE him.

And the police were supremely unhelpful.

Wow, that sucks, all of it - that your friend had an accident, that he may have done something stupid and irresponsible and betrayed your trust in him, that you have lost your vehicle through no fault of your own, aside from helping someone out, and that the police seem to be making this more difficult, rather than helping you out. I’m sure I missed some things… I’d be close to meltdown in your shoes.

Wow, I’m very sorry to read about this. That is a whole lot of suckage to awaken to, having done a neighbour a good deed. Don’t see your friend until you’re ready, no one has any right to expect anything else from you.

And possibly try to see this as an exercise in ‘accepting what you cannot change’, trite though it may sound. You seem a kind hearted neighbour, maybe remember to be kind with yourself too, as in try not to get angry because it’s not really going to help, unless you feel your friend is not woefully sorry about these events. You might also want to prepare yourself for learning some disturbing unfolding details. Such as, he wasn’t going where he said, at all! Or he’d had a few drinks, or his license was suspended, or some other outrageous thing.

Oh, and count your blessings, I suppose, he didn’t injure himself or kill some one, and you do have another vehicle. You may wish to reassess how trustworthy you judge this neighbour to be, once the details have all come out.

I have a friend who something similar happened to. He was working out of the country, had okayed an employee to use his truck, for a specific errand, only to discover he’d been misled, not only about how it would be used, but after the accident it came out that the kid was driving with a suspended license the whole time! It cost him a lot of coin, but I remember how impressed I was with his ability to remain circumspect and accept that he could not change events, and the only way through was through. Of course, he was out of the country which I should think , is a tad easier.

Good luck to you and so sorry bout your weekend. Please keep us updated, I am curious to find out why he was arrested, the possibilities are endless.

Come to think of it perhaps instead of our condolences we should be offering you wild and colourful conjecture on what exactly happened. It may amuse you on one hand, and ease the blow, when the truth surfaces, on the other!

That sucks. It’s always the worst feeling to have something you wrote as a minor nothing turn into a huge, stressful, bummer of a something. Since he was arrested…DUI?

I let a friend borrow my car in college, I usually drove everyone around because no one’s moms let them take a car except mine (which I found odd since their families were definitely more well off than mine…not like they didn’t HAVE cars…anyway) but my boyfriend was visiting one weekend and she just needed to run 5 mins away.

A car full of guys hit her from behind. It wasn’t her fault, and my car wasn’t even that messed up (theirs was jacked, bad) but my mom was :mad::mad::mad::mad: I was 18 at the time and that was definitely top 5 mad at me by mom moments.

That sucks. And I hate to say it, but you’ve probably lost a dog sitter, too. Cause he’ll avoid you like the plague now that he owes you money.

Glad no one was hurt. Then you’d be dealing with the headache, loss of $$, AND guilt.

Aww man, that’s awful! :frowning:
The police won’t even let you get your wallet out? Will they get it out for you at least?
I’m glad you have a second vehicle though in the meantime.

Having loaned this neighbor your wallet as well (:eek:;)), you may want to see if there’s been any activity on your credit cards since then.

Not that there is any reason to feel guilty on chiroptera’s part. This is 100% the guy’s fault - he had no business taking the van anywhere except to the auto parts store and back. Definitely sounds like he must have been drunk or something if the police arrested him and were saying it was his fault.

Too bad about your van, your friend, and you. This is one for the no good deed goes unpunished file. I hope your friend comes through with some help somehow.

Talk about lending a car against better judgement - I lent my beater to …I wouldn’t exactly call her my girlfriend, although that’s what I wanted. We hung out in HS and she thought she’d give living in my college town a try and we were under the same roof. She wanted my car to get to work.

I knew she had a drinking problem but due to 3 parts denial and 1 part ‘it’s more money and it’s first thing in the morning what could possibly go wrong’ I lent her the car.

She got drunk, went to work and was immediately fired, crashed into a parked car, and the police followed the trail of radiator fluid back to my cottage. Come to think of it, I don’t know how she wasn’t arrested or something.

I don’t know what I was thinking.

Ouch. Was it a one car accident, or was another vehicle involved? Any injuries? You probably should go ahead and notify your insurance company, in case there are any claims filed against you as the owner of the vehicle.

As to why he was arrested–dui, driving while suspended, or outstanding warrants are possibilities.

Ditto on all the sympathy, etc., but… why were things like your wallet in the van at all, much less while you loaned it to someone else?

Judging by the posting and comments in the link in the OP, assuming I’ve identified the correct incident (“ACCIDENT: Dort and Stewart… PD witnessed accident . Has 2 under arrest. #Flint”), it appears that it was the OPs van striking a Cavalier. From that last comment:

From that it sounds like a cop was coming down the street with his lights on and the OPs friend freaked for whatever reason (outstanding warrants?) and tried to “escape” by making a sudden left turn and struck the Cavalier. I get the feeling that the cop wasn’t coming after him, but was on his way somewhere else.

Sorry about your van. When I read the title, I thought you were involved and had been injured, or injured someone else. That this didn’t happen is a good thing.

How common is it for police departments to post their calls on Facebook? This is the first I’ve seen. It’s kinda cool.

Sorry bout your van. What a hassle.

I love the police department facebook page. Want for my city!

My sympathy for what happened to your van. But as others said, you’re fortunate your neighbor didn’t injure himself or anyone else. But yeah, it still sucks. Like you, I have an old car and stopped carrying comprehensive insurance. It may not be worth anything, but still, it’s transportation and would be expensive to replace with a newer vehicle.

Two words: Judge Judy

Go ahead, sign up for the show and take your neighbor with you.
This case is right up her alley, “So why shouldn’t you pay for the damage to his van?! Are you an idiot?! Did he cause the accident?! NO!! You did! Judgement for the plaintif in the amount of [dollar amount to replace van].”

The cool thing about going on that show is that judgements up to $5,000 are paid for by the producers of the show - so even if your neighbor hasn’t got two nickels to rub together, you will still get some bucks back.

I went to work all day, and had a nice lunch with a friend, so that took my mind off of things. I have calmed down now.

This is what I found out - from his passenger girlfriend, another neighbor who went down to pick her up right after the accident, and his mother, who jumped directly onto the police scanner when she got a brief panicked phone call right after it happened.

He was given a ticken for failing to yield…he was in the left turn lane waiting to go into a gas station and apparently turned in front of the Cavalier, which smashed into the right front of my van. It spun and the rear end hit…something. So there is extensive front-end damage, and some rear end damage too. This all from the other neighbor who went down to pick up the girlfriend and saw my van being loaded onto a wrecker. It may not be totalled, just need a lot of work, which may not be worth doing on a vehicle worth $2500-$3000. It was not driveable. I now know where it was towed to.

The two people in the Cavalier ran - in fact their car was being folllowed by a police officer who witnessed the whole thing. The reason they were being followed? Someone had called in a home invasion nearby and the car and occupants met the description. Other cops were there in seconds and had guns out shouting for the runners to stop. They arrested one, the other got away. My neighbor and his girlfriend waited with the van at the scene.

My neighbor was arrested for, yep, an outstanding warrant on a traffic ticket he got but never paid, in December. Dumbass.

Insurance company needs a police report, which I cannot get until Monday. But it’s probably irrelevant since the people driving the Cavalier had stolen the car, which was not insured. (Insurance retention rate in the city is about 20%, meaning 80% of car owners buy a week or a month’s worth of insurance in order to get the vehicle registered every year, but don’t keep insurance of their vehicles otherwise.)

Also absolutely a good thing that nobody was injured.

I still have no clue WTF he was doing five miles south of here. Apparently they’d just gone to a grocery store (even thought there are several close to here) and the police would not let the girlfriend take anything at all except her purse and ID out of the van. So there’s a bunch of groceries in there merrily freezing away. I suppose I should also be glad that it’s winter and not summer. Better freezing than rotting.

I have to go to the police department on Monday, get a “clearance” or some such form, then go to the tow yard and pay between $300 and $400 to get my van back. If it’s worth getting back. If it’s too damaged, I still have to pay the towing, impound and storage fees and they will give me some sort of salvage value discount.

I left some, uh, rather toxic texts on his cell phone at about 5:30 am. Which is probably in police custody in a manila envelope somewhere. I was utterly livid this morning.

I’ve known this young man since 2006; I’m sure he feels awful (not that I frankly give a shit about how he is feeling) and I know he will be doing all my lawn mowing and deck-building and other stuff on my honey-do list for free, for about 200 hours by my estimate. He’s gormless but very handy (he works as a handyman/roofer/shade tree auto mechanic) and for years I’ve paid him $15 an hour to do handy-man stuff.

Oh, and to why my stuff was in the van - well, that’s what I have a van for. To keep stuff I need on the job, while walking dogs, etc, in. It’s what vans are good for. :slight_smile: And I do not carry a purse so my wallet and ID stays in the glove compartment of whatever vehicle I am driving - it’s not only locked, but has an alarm system.

And as to the FPO facebook page…I think that started in 2008/2009 when Flint was in the news, yet again, for the number one highest per FBI per capita murder rate in the USA. It’s a small city (about 100K) so the raw numbers don’t approach, say, Chicago…but the per-capita murder rate is astonishing. It’s also in the “top three” for rapes, arsons and fraudulent loan applications.

For the record, I live close enough to Flint to hear the near-constant gunfire on summer nights but am not actually in the city but rather in a somewhat safe, semi-rural enclave.

which means it’s totaled. sorry.

fuck texts. maybe you’re a nicer person than I am, but if I was in your situation I’d be thinking of ways to cause him great bodily harm, and not nasty text messages.

yes, and he borrowed your vehicle under presumably false pretenses, and then destroyed your vehicle. Fuck mowing lawns and shit like that; he’s a leech. cut him off now before he burdens you again.