Exactly. THEY are professional writers who write about freaks. You are railing “fictionally” on a guy who non-fictionally pissed you off and wishing unspeakable evils on his family.
Uh, still you Dude.
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*Originally posted by Sue Duhnym *
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I must congratulate you, Sue–that’s the best example I’ve ever seen of using a whole lotta words to say nothing at all. Keep it coming.
Lissener, you remind me a little of the immature artist (not always in years, but in artistic development.) When I was an art student, sometimes people would critique my work by saying “I can’t tell what that is” or “That part there looks funny” or “What was your point here?” I’d often say (in a somewhat injured huff) “Well, I meant it to be this way.” As if there mear meaning it to be that way MADE it that way. Phooey.
I finally had a friend counsel me on this. The truth is, meaning something to be taken a certain way does not mean it will be taken a certain way, and usually the fault is yours. Of course, a certain amount of people viewing (or reading) your creative efforts will not “get it”. But a majority ought to. If they don’t, you have failed. And all the huffing and puffing about how clueless your audience is will not change that. I often hear immature artists (of all stripes) get irritated when someone points out a flaw in their work, by whining, “But I meant it to be this way!” Yeah. Wave your magic wand, and maybe we’ll all see what you really “meant” as well. :rolleyes:
Take your licks on this one. This rant didn’t work. Too many intelligent people didn’t get it, or were doubtful about it, or were creeped out by it. No amount of “whooshing” to us about it will change that.
You know what, ybabe? Fuck you.
You have not read this thread clearly enough, nor have you obviously ever read any of the other art-related threads I’ve participated in. You’re only willing to skim down through this and remember some of the “immature” artists you’ve known (fuck you again), and have decided that you know me. Fuck you.
Nowhere in this thread have I “whin[ed], ‘But I meant it to be this way!’” In fact, several times I’ve said that the people who misunderstood my intentions were probably justified in so doing. The closest I’ve come to “say[ing] (in a somewhat injured huff) ‘Well, I meant it to be this way’” has been to roll my eyes at the hilarious horror with which some people can read a little pit thread which is obviously over the top and insist, and insist and insist and insist, that they can determine conclusively from those few paragraphs that I am an actual, clinical, murderous psychopath. And of course every single one these idiots is actually a mind-reading degreed psychiatrist. :rolleyes:
And fuck you for this: “Of course, a certain amount of people viewing (or reading) your creative efforts will not ‘get it’. But a majority ought to. If they don’t, you have failed.” Where do you get your fucking math? As of just a minute ago, this thread has been read 861 times, and only a handful of people have protested it. What majority are you babbling about? Some of the people who’ve taken exception have considered my subsequent responses carefully, whether they agree or not, and some few idiots (fuck you) have chosen instead to chant “Nope. I know more about what inspired you to write this than you do. I can tell you unequivocally that you didn’t write it as a spoof, but as a subconscious revelation of the very real depravity of your actual brain. If you have any other questions about the way you think and what you secretly fantasize about, please make an appointment with my secretary.”
And as for the “many intelligent people [who] didn’t get it, or were doubtful about it or were creeped out by it. No amount of ‘whooshing’ to us about it will change that.”
Um, ybabe? First of all, of course, fuck you. Secondly, where have ever argued with the people who were creeped out by it? That was obviously one of my intentions in writing it as I did. But perhaps more to the point, I never said that this little toss off would be the FIRST work of art EVER in the HISTORY of ART to be universally understood and loved. I have no problem—certainly at this primitive stage of my chosen medium—with the fact that not everyone will get everything I write. I only had a problem with the people who, instead of saying “Sorry, I don’t get it” or “I just don’t like it” are insisting that it was wrong for me to have written it, or that they know better than I do what motivated me to write it.
The main reason, in case you’re wondering, for all the fuck yous, is that the superior, patronizing tone of your post, trying to lecture my ass on the limits and expectations of responsibility between an artist and his/her audience really REALLY, for the first time in this silliness, pissed me the fuck off. I could out-lecture you on that topic for hours. That was actually the topic of an honors thesis I wrote in art school, and it was an understanding I reached as a child, years before I went to SAIC. So fuck you for skimming this thread so lightly, or while drunk or something, that you were able to so pompously and misguidedly explain to me one of the guiding principles of my life as an artist and as an audience.
Oh God help me, I can’t stop myself!
No! Must resist!
Can’t!
Lissener:
Was that psychotic over-the-top and insane rant fiction as well, or was that one for real?
::Runs screaming into the woods::
. . . apparently that was first time anyone ever said “fuck you” in a pit thread.
Oh my gosh. We are not in a huff, now are we? :rolleyes:
If you didn’t whine, I apologize for saying you “whined”. But you did do the “whoosh” thing, which led me to think that you were perhaps a bit pouty about being “misunderstood”.
Give me a break. Where are the scores of people defending you? Where are the people “rating” your rant in the usual fashion, and flattering you on your brilliance? I don’t see that here. We are your chosen audience. You CHOSE to post your rant HERE. Are you trying to tell me that you created this rant with the expectaion that people would question your emotional stability and sanity? And that they would call you a “sicko”, and aruge with you about it? If so, I humbly apologize. Truly. Because if that was your intent, you accomplished it brilliantly.
No, certainly not EVERYONE will get it. But come on. It looks like barely ANYONE got it! We are your chosen audience - you chose to share this rant with us. So, how come so many “whooshes”, then?
Oh, I am sure you could. And I’m sure you’re very proud of your out-lecturing skills. And, I can tell, your pride is something none of us better mess with, eh?
I am sorry I ruffled your delicate feathers. Oh my gosh.
Scylla: 
Since you’ve been civil to me here, allow me a polite “whoosh.”
Though I did omit the smiley, I wasn’t being serious. I was strictly going for the yuck, ill-advised as it may have been.
You have to admit, it was a pretty good setup.
Originally posted by yosemitebabe:
“Oh my gosh. We are not in a huff, now are we?”
This is apparently in response to where I stated I never get in a huff about anything. Please point that out. I am in a huff over you, yb.
"you did do the “whoosh” thing, which led me to think that you were perhaps a bit pouty about being “misunderstood”.
Again with the mindreading. My single “whoosh” was in the nature of most of the “whooshes” you see here: translated as something like “[eyeroll] Oh, brother, don’t take it so serioiusly: it was tongue in cheek.”
“Give me a break. Where are the scores of people defending you?”
This is in reference to my suggesting that there were scores of people defending me, which point out, please. My suggestion here was that very few found there to be anything here to protest (which I stated pretty clearly), not that anyone who hasn’t bothered to protest is out right now having my rant tattooed onto their chessesses.
*“Where are the people ‘rating’ your rant in the usual fashion, and flattering you on your brilliance?”*Please point out where I apparently said that I thought this was the best rant ever and deserving of universal praise? I have only ever said that it was not the demonic, real rage of a murderous psycho. That still makes me giggle and roll my eyes. How many of you people wrote letters of protest to Thomas Harris after seeing Lambs? etc. etc.
I don’t see that here. We are your chosen audience." Oh, brother. I broadcast it into the void of the internet. I had no “chosen audience.” I simply thought while I was sitting there on the bus that this could make for a funny pit rant (my second in a year and a half, BTW), especially if I made it so outrageously over the top that it would at the same time be a metarant: a joke about over-the-top pit rants. Ever since then I’ve been (stupidly; goodbye) arguing with a handful of basement-dwelling mouthbreathers who are trying to convince me that they know what’s in my heart and mind better than I do. How hilarious! This whole thing has revealed a great deal more, in my opinion, about you tiny-minded freaks who see something to protest here. So you didn’t find it funny. Whatever. Shoot yourself.
"You CHOSE to post your rant HERE. Are you trying to tell me that you created this rant with the expectaion that people would question your emotional stability and sanity? And that they would call you a ‘sicko’, and aruge with you about it? If so, I humbly apologize. Truly. Because if that was your intent, you accomplished it brilliantly.
I’m tryna keep up with you in this quaint little circular dance you’re doing, but I keep getting lost and tripping over your tail as you clumsily chase it. Think I’ll sit the rest of this one out.
"So, how come so many ‘whooshes’, then?
Count’em, yosemiteboob. Need help counting to ONE? Are you, like, crouched down in a dark corner, trembling, running this thread over and over in your mind, until it’s grown from a thread with a single lighthearted “whoosh” to a maelstrom of evil spirits, whooshing around your head, trying to get into your brain like the government microwaves; screaming demons sucking away your soul? Open a window, dude, wipe the drool off your face and go get help.
“And I’m sure you’re very proud of your out-lecturing skills.”
What a pompous little emptyheaded fuck you are, yboob. I’m proud of my artistic insight and critical ability, and my commitment to the artisitic principle that you were so idiotically trying to explain to me. Nowhere did I imply that what I was defending was my ability to talk about it longer than you. *“Focus on the context, and ignore the content of the discussion: it works with the children who are obviously my only intellectual equals and from whom I’ve learned all my debating ‘tricks’; maybe it’ll work on lissener!” Sorry, boob, I’ve gone way over my limit for indulging idiots today.
:Scylla: :D" Wow, how embarrassing. Now YOU get a “whoosh.”
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yb says: “:Scylla: :D”
Wow, how embarrassing, ybabe. Now YOU get a “whoosh.”
lissener, my dear man:
No need for a “whoosh” with Scylla. I got his post. I was amused. I did a little grin.
As for the rest - you say you thought it would be a “funny pit rant”?
I’ll put this very simply:
Dood. They didn’t get it.
You say
Come on. You posted it HERE. With people you (sorta) know. If you really wanted to broadcast it to the “void of the Internet”, you easliy could have started a little Geocities page, and put it there. Who knows who would have stumbled upon it there. That would have been more “void-like”. But instead, you chose here. Specifically here.
Sigh. As for your exceeding pride, I still see it is on overdrive. See, there’s pride, and then there’s pride. But why I am telling you this? Why, you could “out-lecture” me for HOURS, right?
Down here in the Pit, I’ve learned, people will take you seriously. You should respect that, and use other forums to express your so called creativity. As it is, the people who believed you at first, thought you merely psychotic (and I was one of them, I admit), but the others who respoded weren’t too impressed with your (gag) prose.
If you want to make a name for yourself on the SDMB, well you’ve done that, but if you want to be respected, you’ve lost, at least as far as I’m concerned.
In other words, you are not a writer! Keep your day job, if pig-fucking is still allowed in your jurisdiction. But don’t worry, they can never outlaw mental masturbation.
Oh, and fuck you too…
Hmmm…then Scylla and I, to name just two of many, MANY Dopers are in trouble. There have been scads of creative rants in The Pit. Lissener had a legit rant (people who exhale smoke in his face on the bus) expressed in an interesting, experimental way. That’s certainly within the bounds of the Pit. Granted a more ‘traditional’ rant would go something along the lines of ‘Fuck you, goat feltching smoke-exhaler. Fuck YOU!’, there seems to be a move somewhat away from that and I’m enjoying it.
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:rolleyes: “I didn’t like the movie, so it sux!” :rolleyes:
He certainly is a writer.
And as one of the ones who responded, that’s not what I said at all. I questioned the…rhythm of his post and parts of the narrative movement didn’t flow smoothly, but his use of language was excellent and in some of the paragraphs I actually got the creeps. I didn’t “enjoy” the rant, but I could certainly appreciate it (and obviously it wasn’t meant to be ‘enjoyed’. It was intended to challenge. Did it entirely succeed? Not for me. Was it an interesting attempt? Yes.
Fenris