Probably not, unlike yourself, they have more between their ears than Cheez Whiz.
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I get a laugh out of all these people that think Gore deserved all those Nader votes “Aaarg! You Stupid people! Vote for the Demo-bot!”.
So if polls suggest, as Little Nemo and Shayna just did, that Nader pulls more votes away from McCain than from Obama will all you loyal Dems carry him around on your shoulders?
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Gore didn’t *deserve * the votes, but the Americans and Iraquis killed in the war might have appreciated them. But at least you “stuck it to the man”. No better way of getting even with them than putting them in office.
But of course there is no difference between the two parties (other than their stands on the war, health care, global warming, and taxes). Neither party is going to let pot grow in every garage and free Doritos for all.
So Dan, how has your button down conformist voting style helped the world? Have you successfully stuck it to the man yet?
I’m going to keep my eyes open for the next white sale. I’m going to buy a towel to send to Nader when he’s crying that he didn’t get invited to the Obama/McCain debates.
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic]
. . . 9/11 conspiracy believing . . .
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Nah, those assholes claim to be voting for Ron Paul*, but most of them will be either too young or too stoned to vote.
*You know there’s going to be a write-in campaign
[QUOTE=CarnalK]
So Dan, how has your button down conformist voting style helped the world? Have you successfully stuck it to the man yet?
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I realized I am the man. I grew up, went to college, opened a business on public transportation where I employ 10 people (including gays and african americans) and provide healthcare. I do like button-down shirts, however. Even wore them when I was marching in the anti-war moratoriums in the 70’s.
[QUOTE=Shayna]
I agree with Little Nemo. I think there are a lot Republicans who are pissed enough at their party to want something different, don’t see McCain as different enough, but who could never bring themselves to vote for a Democrat, let alone Barack Obama.
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You’re saying Nader wants to keep their tax cuts? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=DanBlather]
So Green Party/Naderites, you have another chance to fuck up the world by voting for Nader and then saying “don’t blame me dude”. Are you going to do it?
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I just don’t see any excitment for Nader this year. First of all, the Democrats like their candidates. And if all that republican money can’t get Romney or Guiliani a second look, how is it going to exciteany GOP voters?
I’ll vote non-starter for the Greens this time out.
[QUOTE=carnivorousplant]
You’re saying Nader wants to keep their tax cuts? :rolleyes:
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No. I’m saying what I said. Period. :rolleyes: right back atcha.
[QUOTE=LouisB]
I fucking hate that God damned Nader; he is the most despicable piece of shit out there and I hope the rat bastard chokes on the next breath he takes. I’d like to hang him upside down and build a fire under his head. I hope his dick never gets hard again and that his wife, if he has one, shows up with a tattoo on her ass that reads “Property of the Hell’s Angels.” I hate him more than I hate my ex-wife and I don’t like her at all.
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Damn. Tell us how you really feel!
[QUOTE=LouisB]
I fucking hate that God damned Nader; he is the most despicable piece of shit out there and I hope the rat bastard chokes on the next breath he takes. I’d like to hang him upside down and build a fire under his head. I hope his dick never gets hard again and that his wife, if he has one, shows up with a tattoo on her ass that reads “Property of the Hell’s Angels.” I hate him more than I hate my ex-wife and I don’t like her at all.
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Don’t you auto executives ever let anything go?
[QUOTE=DanBlather]
I realized I am the man. I grew up, went to college, opened a business on public transportation where I employ 10 people (including gays and african americans) and provide healthcare. I do like button-down shirts, however. Even wore them when I was marching in the anti-war moratoriums in the 70’s.
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Oh sorry. I guess that because you assumed all Nader/protest vote makers do so to “stick it to the man” I just assumed it was similarly your guiding principle when deciding how to vote as well. My bad.
[QUOTE=DanBlather]
I’m going to put on a bumber sticker next to the one that says “Guns Don’t Kill, People Do”.
Yes, what Al Gore should have done is run more to the left so that he could pick up the fringers. Dude, are you that fucking stoopid? Look at a bell curve.
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No, he should have been more personable, show a bit of the humor he actually does have and not droned during the debates. Maybe you just did not see what I and many others did see.
Stop blaming others because Al Gore could not run a good campaign.
[QUOTE=Knorf]
I get a laugh out of people who voted for Nader in 2000 and try to justify it. Nader was a sham candidate in 2000, and you were a fool for believing in it. You were a fool for thinking that he could possibly have ever been an effective president. You were a fool to make excuses as to why it wouldn’t matter if Bush defeated Gore. Furthermore, you did help elect Bush in 2000 if you voted for Nader; be honest with yourself and accept it.
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And I find it amazing that you still don’t understand what motivated many to vote for Nader. I was a Republican but a Green Republican. There was no way I would vote for Bush/Cheney and the oil industry, but Gore did nothing to convince me I should vote for him or that he would make a good President.
Voting for Nader gave a chance in a weak election to give the Green party the 5% of the vote they needed to become a legitimate party.
The war of course we had no way to know was coming. I learned to hate Bush/Cheney enough to vote for an even worse Democrat in 2004. Remember him, John Kerry the useless?
Jim
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
No, he should have been more personable, show a bit of the humor he actually does have and not droned during the debates. Maybe you just did not see what I and many others did see.
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So you voted for Nader because Gore wasn’t amusing enough. You have upheld my opinion of Naderites.
OK first, to address a minor point that unreasonably bugs the piss out of me, “button-down shirt” refers specifically to a shirt that has buttons at the points of the collar. A shirt that simply buttons it a button-front shirt.
Somewhat more substantively, the “we didn’t know what was going to happen with the terrists” argument for voting for Nader in 2000 is utter bullshit. Did we know specifically that 9/11 was in the works? Not to the best of my knowledge, but Al-Qaeda was absolutely on the Clinton administration’s radar and the Bush administration was warned within days of taking office of the threat the organization posed. Presumably a President Gore would have continued the Clinton administration policy of actually paying attention to terrorist threats. And even absent that, is there a Nader voter with any level of intellectual honesty who can say that they really believed in 2000 that GWB was the better choice for president to justify their vote? Anyone with functioning synapses should have been able to figure out that W was going to be a disaster for anything that Nader believed in. “Oh well, I just wanted to try to get Nader 5% of the vote.” Great job, well done, thanks for the last eight years.
[QUOTE=DanBlather]
So you voted for Nader because Gore wasn’t amusing enough. You have upheld my opinion of Naderites.
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Look, read what you want, but you are showing yourself to be the kind of idiot that your op suggested you are.
I was not and am not a Democrat. You fail to understand that Gore was little more likable to many in 2000 than Bush.
Do you really believe he ran a good campaign? Did he do anything to win over a cross over vote from the Moderate/Liberal Republicans? He failed to even get widespread support from Environmental groups. This should have and could have been one of his strength and instead it helped him lose Florida.
Wake up and rethink what you saw in 2000 and realize where the blame really belongs.
Jim
[QUOTE=DanBlather]
So Green Party/Naderites, you have another chance to fuck up the world by voting for Nader and then saying “don’t blame me dude”. Are you going to do it?
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Sorry, but he’s got every right to stand for election. It’s called democracy. You don’t like him? Don’t vote for him. Persuade others of the merits of your preferred candidate.
[QUOTE=Otto]
Somewhat more substantively, the “we didn’t know what was going to happen with the terrists” argument for voting for Nader in 2000 is utter bullshit. Did we know specifically that 9/11 was in the works? Not to the best of my knowledge, but Al-Qaeda was absolutely on the Clinton administration’s radar and the Bush administration was warned within days of taking office of the threat the organization posed. Presumably a President Gore would have continued the Clinton administration policy of actually paying attention to terrorist threats. And even absent that, is there a Nader voter with any level of intellectual honesty who can say that they really believed in 2000 that GWB was the better choice for president to justify their vote? Anyone with functioning synapses should have been able to figure out that W was going to be a disaster for anything that Nader believed in. “Oh well, I just wanted to try to get Nader 5% of the vote.” Great job, well done, thanks for the last eight years.
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Was fear of terrorism actually a major concern of yours in the 2000 election? I was more concerned with who would do a better job making friends with Russia and dealing with China. I had no confidence in either major candidate.
Additionally, I live in NJ which went for Gore, and my vote for Nader was one less for Bush, so enough with your snarky thanks. Your candidate could not beat a man who mangles English more than I do. Gore was not a good campaigner. He was no (Bill) Clinton or Reagan.
Jim
[QUOTE=What Exit?]
And I find it amazing that you still don’t understand what motivated many to vote for Nader. I was a Republican but a Green Republican.
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You have an amusing notion of “many.”
But no, I cannot understand how a green Republican could think voting for that pompus windbag was ever the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=DanBlather]
So Green Party/Naderites, you have another chance to fuck up the world by voting for Nader and then saying “don’t blame me dude”. Are you going to do it?
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I really hesitate to say anything in this thread, as I typically find that people who are specifically anti-Nader are almost religious in their hatred for the individual.
However, I do want to point out that that opinion is upheld by the fact that anyone with any sense of current events could think that Nader might have any effect on the outcome of the elections this year. His relevance in elections peaked in 2000 and is exponentially less now than it was then. DanBlather, if you want to get your rocks off by yelling at people who voted for Nader in 2000, feel free, but don’t insult everybody and yourself by pretending like Nader voters have a chance to “fuck up the world again.” Let it go.