Surely, they’ve heard about the problem by now. Where is the rebuilding of the stage and the apology? If it wasn’t done on purpose, wouldn’t they have said so by now?
I don’t give a fuck.
In that case, I’m going to step away for a bit and calm down. I may or may not start another thread in the pit focused on you. I haven’t decided yet.
Modhat: Everyone please dial it back. Calm down.
More to come as I read through this thread. I have it closed for the time being.
I will reopen the thread shortly. @mikecurtis, either calm down a lot or step away from this thread. That is official. You’re the only one that really pushed this beyond P&E with your last two posts.
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Acsenray, I’ve been wanting to ask for a long time about the pronouns you’ve been using – why is E capitalized?
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I looked at it and said “Huh. A stage.”
I can’t find the original thread in which I proposed new non-gendered pronouns, E, es, em, emself. I suggested various options and several people suggested capitalizing E to be analogous to I.
Here’s a thread in which there is a brief discussion about them Non-gendered pronouns and their requested usage - #44 by Johanna
And if you do, you have to figure out how you’re going to reconcile that with the fact that just last week CPAC disinvited a speaker for making anti-Semitic remarks.
Given that the official theme of CPAC 2021 is “America Uncanceled”, they’re taking quite a hit on the hypocrisy meter by disinviting a featured speaker for merely exercising his right to free speech.
Yes, it could very well be that CPAC officials are willing to penalize a black rapper for openly expressing anti-Semitic views, while simultaneously being willing to “troll the libs” with a “coincidental” Nazi-rune stage design. Nobody ever accused CPAQers of being logically consistent or non-hypocritical, after all.
But I think this supports my previously expressed opinion that CPAC is not in fact deliberately using this debatable bit of iconography to explicitly proclaim their solidarity with Nazi beliefs. If they wanted to explicitly proclaim solidarity with Nazi beliefs, they could have kept the anti-semite on the panel (and avoided the embarrassing optics of “canceling” a featured speaker from their ostensibly anti-“cancel culture” conference).
Didn’t notice.
I watched bits overall, after tonight it’s confirmed a huge CPac snoozepac. Thanks to his pollster 
Same old songs and rehashed phrases. Guilfoyles playlist is appropriately questionable. Macho man, Billie Jean?
Afterwards, dancing. The young Republicans contingent college coeds tried to remain engaged and excited until dismissal time.
Odd conference
So, if you turn the stage upside down and reimagine it with differently-angled legs, it becomes an obvious Nazi symbol that conservatives are using to recruit a new SS.
This is the most shocking revelation since Jerry Falwell outed Tinky Winky.
By “reimagine it with differently-angled legs”, you mean “imagine it exactly the same, with the same angles”? I mean, all the angles involved here are 90º. There are no “differently-angled legs” here.
For those who don’t want to read this short article. The stage design was done by the American Conservative Union. Hyatt has denounced and repudiated ‘all hate symbols’. Matt Schlapp, ACU chair made a Tweet about it. I’d really like to see that Tweet, but I’m not on Twitter and don’t know how to search Twitter.
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Jackmannii as has been said, there’s no need to do anything but turn the stage and its legs upside down.
That is exactly the point. They don’t want to “explicitly proclaim their solidarity with Nazi beliefs” (or with white nationalist, or conspiranoids, et cetera) because it will alienate the more moderate Republicans that are not sufficiently conditioned to accepting this. By explicitly rejecting an overt anti-Semite, but then “dog whistling” with what is transparently a symbol associated with both old school German Nazism and modern neo-fascist movements (and is not remotely obscure, particularly among the groups such a signal would recruit), it gives plausible deniability in mainstream views while giving the QAnon types plenty of encouragement.
Read The Coming of the Third Reich, chapters 1 through 4, or if you don’t have time for that, The Death of Democracy: Hitler’s Rise to Power and the Downfall of the Weimar Republic to get a sense of how this played out in Germany between 1925 and 1933, and you’ll see how the foundations are being established for the same thing here with the 6 January insurrection is the equivalent of the Munich ‘Beer Hall’ Putsch. This wasn’t some comic bumbling oversight by a bunch of amateurs out of VEEP who didn’t look at the stage layout and realize that it portrayed a fascist symbol; this was an expensive and deliberate effort to let the future cultural shock troops that they have been heard and should “stand by”.
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Guessing that it’s a reference to this retweet by Schlapp of this article?
That quoted original tweet by Schlapp is here. I mean, if that stage design really was intended by CPAC to reach out to conservative neo-Nazis, they’ve undone all that good work with this rhetoric about their commitment to the Jewish community and Judeo-Christian values and what not.
Thanks for the link. I’m not on Twitter and my Google fu is weak. As for the rest, I don’t know. IIRC Hitler had help from a bunch of openly gay brownshirts. When he decided their usefulness was up, they were killed in the Night Of Long Knives. Remaining ‘sexual deviants’ were marked with badges (the pink triangle being the most well known) and sent to the camps. If somebody wanted to emulate Hitler, they might well keep Jewish allies while dog whistling to neo Nazis that another Night Of Long Knives will come.
Sure, they might. I’m definitely not trying to argue for the CPAC folks’ intrinsic integrity or principle here; as I said, I think lots of American conservatives would be just fine with “trolling the libs” with Nazi symbols or accepting support from actual Nazis.
I just don’t think that that’s the message that the CPAC leadership is deliberately trying to send with their stage design. Have you seen their Board of Directors, for instance? They could practically be a bunch of Obama appointees in terms of their demographic diversity. Yeah, they might be a core of devoted fascist neo-Nazi white supremacists with some co-opted useful idiots, but considered as devoted fascist neo-Nazi white supremacists they’re kind of undermining their own efforts, is all I’m saying.
That’s the point of it being a dog whistle. It’s like a secret handshake. If you’re part of the group, you’ll recognize it and be aware of its meaning and the fact that the person who used it is a fellow believer. But if you’re not part of the group, it looks like it has no meaning.
They actually found a black guy whose name is Niger? They are definitely trolling.
I think the core belief of CPAC is that powerful rich people should get richer and more powerful.
But I have no problem with the idea that they’re willing to give a wink to white supremacists to convince them that CPAC is on their side.