Need answer fast: unlocking front door with key in lock on inside

I had a phone call from my wife: she has managed to lock herself out of the house, having left the key in the lock on the inside of the front door.

She can get a spare key from her parents who are nearly an hour’s drive away but there’s no point doing that if it’s not possible to unlock the door if there’s a key in the other side of the lock.

I don’t know the technical term for the lock but it is similar to this pic - you lift the handle to engage the bolts, then turn the key to lock it.

Any ideas whether it will be possible to open the door with the spare? I did suggest she could try using a wire coathanger or something to reach through the letterbox and hook the key but she has tried this and couldn’t do it.

Has she tried pushing the key out with the coat hanger? The key may be in position to do that. If it is, then maybe she could slide some paper under the door to catch the key and pull it out under the door.
I saw this done in a movie once, so don’t hold your breath.

Sorry, doulble post

The lock isn’t a big “keyhole” kind of lock, it is the exact profile of the key, so can’t push it through. Also, the key is on a big bunch of keys on a keyring, and the door is a tight-fitting uPVC front door. Nothing is going to come underneath it.

Yes, the outside barrel works even when the key is in the inside barrel. It doesn’t matter what angle the key is at either.

That’s good to know. It also just occurred to me that, as the door isn’t deadlocked with the inside key, she should be able to use the same method that burglars used on us a few years ago: reach through the letterbox with a wire hook and pull down on the inside handle.

It’s a double cylinder lock, with the ability to insert keys both inside and outside. You should have no problem unlocking the door with a spare key. Frankly, it would be tragically poor design to have the door un-unlockable simply due to a key being inserted on the inside.

It’s pretty common for folks with double cylinder locks to leave a key inserted on the inside all the time, so they don’t need to fumble for a key to unlock the door to leave.
Edited to add, this is the exact situation that causes me to despise auto-locking exterior doors. As my dad once said, if you lock the door with the key, you will never be locked outside the door without the key.

Thanks, all. I thought this should be the case but wanted to check before she goes off to get a key and then has to call out a locksmith on out-of-hours rates anyway!

Hmm, when my door had a lock like this, it wouldn’t work if there was a key in the other side of the lock.

Just to satisfy my curiosity… why would someone need a door that locks from the inside with a key?

You don’t want to find out.

My mom got them installed in her house after a break-in. The idea was that if a thief got in through a window or something, it would make it harder for him to haul loot out of the house. She keeps them unlocked when anyone’s home.

If you have sidelight windows next to your front door, it prevents a thief from getting in by smashing one of the little windows. They smash, reach in, and just get a handful of keyhole for their trouble.

It also helped me to feel secure when my son was able to reach the lock, he couldn’t get outside to the busy street without reaching the key that was kept high up out of reach.

double cylinder locks are a fire hazard when used in dwellings. if the house was on fire and you had to exit and the key was not in the lock then you might die. they may be against various building regulations because of this.

The back door is not on the same key?

No. Is that a common thing? Nobody I know has the same key for front and back doors. Our “back door” is a sliding patio door which doesn’t have an external lock at all, just an internal latch lock.

As for the key on the inside, I think that’s pretty common, at least in the UK.

Let me explain.

The front door closes and “locks” without a key; that is, you can’t open it from the outside if it slams shut. In this state, however, you CAN open it from the inside without a key, by turning the handle (i.e. pushing down on the horizontal lever).

To activate the deadlock, you lift the handle through 90 degrees, then return it to its horizontal position, and then turn the key in the lock - either on the inside or the outside, it doesn’t matter. Once this is done, you cannot open the door without the key: the door handle itself is locked in position.

We never used to lock the door with the key when we were inside the house, but a few years ago somebody broke in while we were asleep and stole a couple of bags from inside the hallway. Looking for car keys, I assume. Luckily they didn’t come upstairs and go for us.

Anyway, the policeman who came round when we reported it said this was a common problem with this type of lock, because you can reach through the letterbox and pull down on the door handle with a wire, and thus open the door. He said: always lift the handle and double lock it.

I am aware of the fire hazard situation, so we make sure there is a key stored close to the front door and easily accessible if we need it in a hurry.

Ironically, the break-in happened only a few months after we had this door fitted - the old door had been there for 30 years and consisted of a wooden frame surrounding a floor-to-ceiling pane of glass with no reinforcement whatsoever. Never had a problem at all (until a neighbour’s kid accidentally hit it with a football…)

It’s pretty common that they’re not. New houses are usually built with matching lock sets, but often one will get changed without the other. Our previous house came with 3 different door locks, a couple got replaced at different times. Before we sold I put a matching set on the front door and garage entry door. Too much trouble for the back door to get matched. The new owners probably just changed them all anyway.

This is my experience with the type of lock/door similar to the picture in the OP, too. I view it as an additional security feature (assuming there is no smashable side window as mentioned above) - it means that even if someone manages to nefariously get hold of a copy of your key, they still won’t be able to unlock the door from the outside if you leave the key on the inside. I have been in a similar situation where I was able to open the door in question with my spare key by using it to push the “inside key” out of the lock, and then operating the lock normally. But this only works if the key on the inside is aligned in the right position to be withdrawn already - on another occasion, where there was a key in the inside lock that was turned away from 12 o’clock, it was not possible to operate the lock (or push it out) from the outside. So I’m not too hopeful in your situation, I’m afraid.

Having said that, it sounds like your door is of a more modern type than the one I described above, which are often designed to lock automatically (from the outside) when closed. I would hope that this design also allows for a key to be inserted and operated from the outside regardless of the presence of a key on the inside. The door I described above could not be locked from either side without the key. But we really could do with a locksmith, or someone with actual knowledge, to come in and confirm the situation. Probably much too late now - please let us know how it turned out!

Regarding the fire hazard issue, you simply leave the key in the lock when you go to bed, so the door can be immediately unlocked and opened in the event of a fire. At our home, we do this (assuming both of us are in for the night) - then when I go to work leaving my wife asleep in bed, I lock the door from the outside using the top lock only, as this can be opened from the inside without a key.

Finally, regarding the comment about the “tragically poor design” of the lock I first mentioned, I found it quite useful - it saved me at least once in my teenage years when my Mum had gone shopping, and I used the family computer for, er, non-family surfing. She returned without me hearing her, but because I had deliberately locked the door and left the key in the lock, she had to knock at the door to get me to open it. This gave me the vital few seconds needed to make myself (and the computer screen) presentable. “Oh, sorry, must have left the key in by mistake!”

Resolution: the door opened no problem and wife and baby are back at home :slight_smile:

Well that was anti-climactic. Couldn’t you jazz it up a little?