Needle-nosed pliers, My daughter, and the Bible, an object lesson

I’m out in the garage fixing the tractor. It seems somebody broke off the turn signal by running into a tree. We won’t say who did this, because it’s really not germaine to the story. What is germaine is that I was fixing it, Okay? Sheesh. It doesn’t really matter who broke it.
So I got a new one and I was using my Leatherman Super Tool to install it. It has those alligator type needle nosed pliers that you can basically use for anything if you don’t mind doing something of a hack job.

My daughter shows up. “Daddy are you fixing the tractor.”

“Yes, I am.”

“That was pretty funny when you drove into the tree.”

“Thanks.”

She eyes my Leatherman. “What’s that?”

“This,” I say. “Is my Leatherman Supertool with the alligator grip needle-nosed pliers.”

“Alligator?”

“yes.”

“Would it hurt my finger,” she asks?

“Yes, my darling. I beleive it most certainly would. In fact, it could break your finger right off.”

“Really?” She asks.

“Really. Really.” I reply.

She stares at me for a second and then she gets that mischievously look. “I want to put my finger in it.”

“No you don’t.”

“You’re my Daddy. You can’t hurt me. You’d get in trouble.”

“I could just say it’s an accident,” I explain.

“I’d tell,” she replies.

“Nobody would believe you. You’re just six years old. They would ask you why you put your finger into the pliers, and then what will you say?”

She has to think about that for a little bit.

“You can’t hurt me because you’re my Daddy and you love me.”

“It’s true. I do love you…” I thought about telling her that parents resent their children as a symbol of their lost youth and innocence, and that a child also represents a part of themselves, and most people have an element of self-loathing. Then I thought about the whole Munchausen by proxy thing “…but somethimes you have to be cruel to be kind.”

“You won’t hurt me. Hold it out and let me stick my finger in.”

I hold out the pliers with their cruel teeth and I try to stare at her the way Darth Vader would.

“You won’t hurt me, will you?” she asks. It’s a good question. I’m trying to figure that out myself. What is the appropriate action here? I beleive in trust and a father’s love and I don’t want to hurt my kid. On the other side of the coin, what she is proposing is very stupid and foolhardy. There is no upside to her action, just risk. Who is being tested here, me or her?

It’s one of these Abraham on the mountaintop kind of questions. I sincerely don’t like the idea that she is deliberately endangering herself or setting herself up to be hurt by somebody else. There’s a little self-destructive codependance thing going on. Perhaps if I did snip her little finger off that would serve as a gentle reminder.

“I don’t know what I’ll do,” I answer truthfully.

She hesitates and puts her finger in and then closes her eyes…

Suddenly, I know exactly what to do!

Good Lord

Well?..well?!

I didn’t cut her finger off.

I squeezed it hard enough to hurt a little bit and then let go, and talked to her about asking for trouble, and tempting fate, and I even told her that Jesus said “Thou shalt not tempt thy Lord,” but she seemed pretty satisfied over the fact I didn’t really hurt her like she knew I wouldn’t.

I was going to tell this story the way I wanted it to end which was that I squeezed hard enough to really hurt and she learned her lesson. I think that’s what I should have done.

The way it went though, I don’t think it worked out to good. No lesson learned.

Should I have hurt her? What do you think I should do going forward?

What lesson would having you hurt her teach? Don’t trust daddy?

Self reliance, maybe. At six, she should be beginning to learn to trust her own instincts.

I saw “Take it off at the knuckle!”

That way, years from now, when they are handing here the pen and the clipboard with your “Pull The Plug” papers, she can gaze wistfully at her hand and think of a life’s lesson well learned.

“I say…”

“…are handing HER…”
Preview is my friend :smack:

kids are different. some would never get to this point, others take your word, fair number would probably think the little taste of pain is enough, a few need it to really hurt - but even if it really hurts what lesson will the child takeaway? sheesh man, your mini angle of death might jUst turn into the greatest serial killer in history before deciding to get back at the root 'cause of her fingers in the pliers and poke you hundreds of times with a sharp stick.

i’d say your daugjter thinks its a kind of game and regardless of what you do first take it out of her game mode.

Somehow your story doesn’t have the bite of Abraham’s.

Perfect solution to a mini-moral dilemma. Maybe daughter was testing Daddy’s love; maybe she was testing the assertion that tools can be dangerous when misused. By pinching her finger a little (but not enough to harm) she learned the answer to both.

I think it is very charming that a such a casual interaction was used as an opportunity to set boundries. What an attentive parent!

I agree with Beaucarnea- and would explain again that although Daddy indeed did not hurt her, someone else may not of had the restraint of that love and caring that stopped you. To tempt fate is not the wisest thing to do.
What if something had gone horribly wrong and there had been a possiblity of the tool NOT being safely under Daddy’s control?

Luckily, Scylla was using a Leatherman and not a radial arm saw. Social services frowns upon moral lessons involving power tools.

Jesus also said, “Always use the right tool for the job”.

A Leatherman tool to replace a turnsignal? Turnsignals on a tractor?

:confused:

WTF?

My dad taught me to respect tools by using them on pieces of wood. “See this 2x4? See this table saw? Now watch what happens. <whirrrrrrrr bbbbzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzz> What do you think would happen if you stuck your hand in there? Yeah.” And then when I was old enough he showed me the proper use of the tool.

An inch is as good as a mile and a second is as good as a year.

Kinda close:

It seems to me, she was testing, not your love for her, but her trust in you. By telling her the truth, and not hurting her, she’s learned thar she can trust you to tell her the truth to the best of your ability, and that you will not hurt her intentionally.

A slight hijack here. Children and tools can be a very dangerous thing. Especially power tools. When my nephew was about 3, he picked up a power drill that my brother had been using, set down, and turned his back on. Surly Nephew picked up the drill and drilled it right into my brother’s right buttock. He was wearing sweatpants so the drill grabbed a bunch of material which got all twisted around the bit. It was so tightly wound that we had to reverse the drill out of his ass. I’ve never laughed so hard in my life. Surly Brother was not as amused, however.

So you’re telling me that, at the last moment, you didn’t apply the leatherman tool to the hoof of the nearby goat, stuck by its horns in a thicket? Don’t you listen to anything the angel of the Lord says?

That is an awesome story. And now I will always remember to keep the pwoer drill “unloaded” around my 3 year old.