New Comic Books for April 20/21, 2005

New Comics for 4/20/05:

Picked up seven books this week: starting off now with three,…

Slow Start

Warren and Mays Live Wires #3 was pretty light fare this week. Three (ro)'bots: Cornfed, Hollowpoint Ninja and Social Butterfly go clubbing to sabotage and discreetly sabotage a test run for next year’s Sentinels. Fun as bits and pieces were, their success never seemed in doubt. I kept hoping for a smidgen of suspense, but none was to be had.

Must admit I found it a bit disappointing this time around…

Likewise the lastl issue (#6) of The Question miniseries wasn’t quite as much fun as some of the previous issues. By now, we’ve all gotten a bit used to the Question’s “walking between worlds”, and such; though Veitch manages to squeeze some comedy from the way the Question deftly dispatches an extremely well armed crew of subterreaneans in a style that recalls the way the Shadow would cloud men’s minds before gunning them down (and sabotages the Science Spire Luthor labors to complete in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel #2). It was interesting to note how testy the ‘other’ Man of Steel becomes when he meets the Question the second time around. Kent is barely able to supress his anger at our street shaman’s casual brutality, and it’s almost surprising, the lyricism of the preceding presentation all but obscuring how lethal the man is (and sadly robbing the story of excitement). Still, Edwards work here is rather beautiful, however violent and final.

A new arc begins in 100 Bullets #60, and I think after the powerful drama of issue #58 and the casual horror of #59, a reader can excused for feeling a bit let down, as he or she follows the way Azzarello swiftly arranges his peices on the chess board, this time the hotel strip along Miami Beach. There’s bound to be a bit for foreboding here, as we’re all well aware of what happened when this many of the major players, members of the Trust and Minutemen alike, gathered in one place. I was left with only two questions: what the he11 does Megan Deitrich want with Mr. Branch and will she get out alive once all is said and done? (It feels funny to think of her - of all people - as one of the the most vulnerable people in the cast.) After all, the DeMedici’s know she’s here on business. So far, we’ve seen no sign that she knows they’re in town as well.

Too early to start speculating about this arc, I think,…

Will get to Hawkman #39, Birds of Prey #81, Teen Titans #23 and OMAC Project #1 next time I log on…

Almost forgot to ask,… Anyone Else?

I picked up more new books than usual today:

The OMAC Project #1. After I loved Countdown as much as I did (and even enjoyed reading the heroic death of my favorite character), I found this to be a lackluster follow-up with glacial pacing. Maybe I was in a bad mood when I read it (which I was), but it seemed like not much happened. I didn’t read Bruce Wayne: Murderer, so I couldn’t care less about this Sasha Boudreaux of Checkmate. Meanwhile, Maxwell Lord wished he had moustachios so he could twirl them, Batman was his usual boring, grim, paranoid jerk self, and Wonder Woman picked up Booster Gold to look into Ted’s disappearance. I was really psyched about this miniseries, but I may find myself waiting for the inevitable trade paperback.

JLA Classified #6. “I Can’t Believe It’s Not the Justice League” continues, as Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Fire, Elongated Man, and Mary Marvel are sent to hell and forced by Etrigan to slave away in a fast food restaurant for demons. Meanwhile, Power Girl and once-again-asshole Guy Gardner (armed with a new yellow power ring) go on a rescue mission, and the Super Buddies see a familiar face in hell: Ice! A miniseries that started out as lighter fluff than fat-free Cool Whip might finally have a purpose, and I speak as an old-school Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire fan. These are the characters I literally grew up with, and I can’t say this story has done anything much for me so far. Then again, I know it’s a flashback, and it’s sad to see Sue, Ted, and Max all alive and hanging out like goofy pals.

The Question #2. After WonK spoke so highly of this series on MillarWorld and Selkie was nice enough to pick up #1, 3, and 4 for me, I found #2 today to fill the gap. I haven’t read the other issues yet, but I love the weird tone in #2. I’m a big Question fan even though I haven’t read his '80s series either, and this feels a lot more like a Wildstorm/Vertigo series than something set in the DCU. It’s dark, mature, trippy… I can see how it might offend fanboy purists, but I’m happy to see Vic Sage acting like the Authority’s Jack Hawksmoor, wandering around Metropolis and learning whatever he can from the city itself.

I must admit I was a bit disappointed at first: when I heard Veitch was scripting, somehow I expected a libertarian loon akin to Frank Miller’s version of the character in Batman: Dark Knight Strikes Again. Still,… we certainly got the most unique version of the Question imaginable this time around… very Hawksmoor, and very Jeroen the Doctor at the same time…

More from New Comics for 4/20/05:

Breathless Birds and Furious Flights

In sharp contrast to the milk froth lightness of Live Wires, the airy-ness of The Question and the painstaking set up in 100 Bullets, this weeks Bird-Books were packed with incident, unexpected twists and turns, and lots of suspense. Pretty satisfying reads, I must say, though Hawkman was both a bit predictable, and lurid this time around, compared to the more measured pace of this months Birds of Prey - a comparison that’s hard NOT to make, since Joe Bennett penciled both books this month (and as far as I know will continue as artist on both monthlies for the forseeable future).

Like 100 Bullets #60, Birds of Prey #81 was a pretty decent set up issue for the story arc to follow. Ted Knight and Dinah go to Singapore to effect a sting operation against a local druglord, and get forced into the usual dilemma one sees when suspected undercover “moles” have to prove themselves to their new business partners. Lots of interesting local color here, including some juicy martial arts mythology for those of us who’ve watched far too many kung fu movies. Much, much more fascinating is what the Huntress, Savant and Creote have been up to. However, I can’t shake the conviction that this too is an elaborate sting operation - the Huntress has merely returned to her original calling wiping out a way of life that destroyed her family years ago. She’s just going about it in a much more ambitious, and dangerous, manner. Good for her!

Hawkman #39: Last issue, the Hawks attended a lavish dinner party thrown by a new, if unlikely, economic force in St. Roch, Charley Parker, the formerly shiftless surfer/con man who formed the West Coast Titans ages ago. The man grew up, made a fortune, and hopes to play the same role in St. Roch as Bruce Wayne does in Gotham City or Lex Luthor in Metropolis. Unfortunately the party was crashed with the Fadeaway Man and his allies, and ended with a cluster bomb/grenade tossed into the festivities, a blind for an attempt to kidnap Carter Hall. This sets the stage for the Kendra’s whirlwind rampage across St. Roch this issue, as she terrorizes criminal informants all over town looking for leads. And, to keep the lurid level high, along the way we’re introduced to yet another dangerous woman (not Satana this time) but the Hummingbird, a kind of cheerleader from hell, with all the warmth and compassion of Sleeper’s Ms. Misery. Fun pulpy stuff, with the usual noirish accents.

As others have mentioned, this issue also features a pretty trippy sequence where Hawkman encounters what appears to be Horus, the Hawk-Headed Eygptian God, which connects directly to a shocking (if not surprising) ending (the whole thing was deliberately telegraphed a mile off) which ties in well with a dangling plot thread left over from an issue of JSA. (Remember that wierd-@ss conversation between Kendra and the Angel from JLA?) Carter’s, “love is coming” alright, and Kendra’s apparent demise this issuejust eases the way - or at least that’s my prediction for now…

Will get to Teen Titans #23 and OMAC Project #1 next time I log on…

Let’s review this week’s take:

One thing, if any of you were lucky enough to get OMAC, careful with
the spoilers. DC shorted my store and the reprints won’t be out for
three weeks.

Teen Titans #23: Dr. Light vs. every Titan ever. And neither side
comes out looking like chumps. A great old fashioned smackdown.
Resolved, but leaving juicy bits open for the Crsis. I’m very happy
that they aren’t dragging out Mia’s secret and that the Titans are
actually learning from the JLA’s past bad behavior. I have no trouble
with heroes occassionally falling off the moral highground as long as
their sins are acknowledged and people learn from it. What happened
to Ravager’s eye?

Robin #137: Picked it up since the artsist (a fill-in?) is better,
and Tim’s a favorite. Ick. Kinda dark for Robin. I’m not happy with
him even joking about shooting bad guys. Especially after that Titans
arc. The Warlock guy seemed kinda dumb. I’ll keep passing on this
one until someone says it’s gotten really good and is worth reading.

JLA Classified #6: OMGWTFBBQ!!! BEETLE AND MAX ARE IN THE SAME BOOK
AND BEETLE’S IN HELL!!! I’M ALL UPSET AND WEIRDED OUT! Nah. It’s
just kinda tedious.

JLA #113: This story has gone on way too long. And now the JLA isn’t
even going to beat these guys? Geeze. At least they’re using the
Construct stuff from the prologue, and the Batman/J’onn switcheroo was
kinda neat, if not teribly necessary.

Seven Soldiers: Klarion #1: Subterranean necromancers with strong
Wiccan and Puritan overtones. Ah Grant Morrison, I love you so.
Definitely this week’s highlight.

Birds of Prey #81: Finally, I find a jumping on point. Wildcat is
just too cool. Still, the story’s kinda pedestrian. Kung-Fu comics
don’t do much for me. I like Babs and Dinah, but this one’s on the
brink since my list is so bloated what with Seven Soldiers and Crisis
and all.

Aquaman #29: I don’t get J’onn’s logic here. “I’ll impersonate
Superman and act like an asshole to prove to Orin that he does have
the inner strength to be provoked into fights he can’t hope to win.”
Total filler issue.

Hey, if you can Paypal me a few bucks, I can pick one up locally for you and mail it… you’ll have the issue a lot sooner than 3 weeks from now.

Good week for comics. First, I really like how DC is building up to whatever “Infinite Crisis” is going to be–I recently reread all the tie-in books and it seems like DC’s going in with a really good roadmap of what they intend to do: it doesn’t seem as slipshod as many BIG COMPANY CROSSOVERS.

What was up with Spectacular Spider-Man? Is the book cancelled? Again? Geez.

FF was a lot of fun.

PS 238 gave me a “Laugh out Loud” moment: “I seem to have mastered both ‘teeter’ and ‘totter’. Shall we continue?” (you hadda read it).

Amazing Spider-Man: I couldn’t decide if it was Hydra or Sons of The Serpent types at first. I also wanted more “Peter Parker and his family get to know the Avengers.” stuff. Also, why are they playing Wolverine like such a dick? Yeah, he was dogging Scott for Jean, but that’s not typical behavior for him, IMO.

And how does living in the Avengers Mansion (fine, “Avenger’s Tower”) jibe with Peter’s desire to keep a secret ID? What’s his cover story?

I really, REALLY wanna like the Kurt Busiek JLA but it’s just not clicking for me.

I agree that THE OMAC PROJECT had glacial pacing, but I still enjoyed it.

(BTW: This is the last week of new comics before I let my subscription expire. Wanted to let my fellow Comic Book Compadres that I’ve enjoyed talking/debating/etc and if you ever get over to the Unaboard, drop in and say “Howdy!” :slight_smile: )

We have two rules regarding the Weekly Comics Thread - 1.) Start on Thursday, so various folks who are delayed in getting their books can have a shot to get and read them; 2.) Name them ‘Weekly Comic Book Discussion ##/##/####’ so when I go out Thursday morning to start the thread, if someone has jumped the gun, I see it, and don’t accidentally start a duplicate.

Fenris, you’re leaving? I am sorry to see you go. I felt like you were one of the very few who might be able to better me in superhero comic trivia around here. :smiley:

MIGHT???!

Those are fighin’ words, suh!

“might”… : tsk :

:wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Let’s see. Of course, the big news is OMAC Project. I like that they’re building out of the Bruce Wayne : Fugitive/Murderer - because if memory serves, Cain was working as an agent of Checkmate at the time.

It was a slow issue, but a good foundation.

Though I must admit to a humorous picture in my mind:

DC continues to build out of Identity Crisis in a way I like. Manhunter - Merlyn and the Monocle, along with Phobia, crash the trial of the Shadow Thief, apparently to off the old fellow. **Teen Titans ** - Deathstroke’s last minute appearance here was amusing to me, and this was a great Battle Royale issue. His daughter put out her own eye to show her father how dedicated to his cause that she was, yadda yadda, by the way. Earlier issue of Teen Titans, if memory serves.

More later.

That’s mighty neighborly of you, but I’ve already but my order in. I’ll be fine as long as everyone plays fair (and it doesn’t sound like #1 had any earth-shattering revelations or twists anyway) and I can resist the urge to peek under spoilers.

Thanks.

(Heavily Edited) New Comics Post for 4/20/05:

Please forgive the multiple post: I’m new here and couldn’t quite figure out how (or even if we can) edit previous posts here…**

Letdowns: Mild & Major

After the powerful drama of issue #58 and the casual horror of #59, a reader can excused for feeling mildly let down as Azzarello arranges his pieces on the chess board, setting up for his next arc in 100 Bullets #60. (Happily this is still the best read of the week.) There’s bound to be a bit of foreboding, as well as pleasant anticipation for long time readers, as we’re all well aware of what happened the last time this many members of the Trust and Minutemen alike, gathered in a resort town.

Two questions come to mind: “what the heck does Megan Deitrich want with Mr. Branch?”, and “will she get out alive once all is said and done?”. Funny to think of Dietrich as one of the the most vulnerable people in the cast, but then, the DeMedici’s know she’s here on business. So far, we’ve seen no sign she knows they’re in town as well.

Otherwise, it’s a bit too early to begin speculating about where this arc is going, I think.

Live Wires #3 is pretty light fare: almost too light. Three of the (ro)'bots go clubbing, the better to discreetly sabotage next year’s Sentinel program (Whose sponsoring them? The Xavier Institute?) Fun as bits and pieces were, the ‘bots’ success never seemed in doubt. I found myself hoping that something would go badly wrong. It was my way of praying for a smidgen of suspense, but none was to be had this time around, and as a result, this chapter felt utterly unnecessary: the characters have been introduced: let’s get on with it!

Likewise, the last issue (#6) of The Question miniseries wasn’t quite as much fun as previous issues. By now, we’ve all gotten more than used to the split-page device of watching the Question “walk between worlds” though Veitch manages to squeeze some comedy from the way Vic Sage deftly dispatches an extremely well armed crew of Subterreaneans by “clouding men’s minds” like the Shadow (and sabotages the Science Spire Luthor labors to complete in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel #2). It’s all so lyrical that you barely notice how lethal the whole thing is, until the ‘other’ Man of Steel expresses his irritation at our street shaman’s casual brutality. The beauty of the art serves to rob the story of some of it’s potential excitement at points.

Something similar occurs in Teen Titans #23 the conclusion of Dr. Light’s attempt to disgrace and defame the JLA in the eyes of their younger proteges. While Mike McKone generally does a good job of conveying Geoff John’s characterization of the Titans, his panel compositions tended to dampen the dramatic potential of the highpoints Johns wrote into script. (This was also a problem back in the final installment of the new Titans earlier battle with Brother Blood.) Compare the way McKone laid out the nearly issue long battle scenes between the Titans and Brother Blood, and here with Dr. Light, with the way Millar & Hitch laid out the Ultimates’ recent battle with Thor. There strong diagnols and a greater variety of focal lengths, and panel shapes and sizes, accentuated high points in the fight. In McKones’ far less provocative layouts, those mini-climaxes in the action just got lost.

Taken individually, I didn’t think that any of the individual Titans’ reactions to the new Speedy’s confession was all that saccharine, it’s just that we didn’t need to see so many of the other Titans’ discuss their personal problems. Two would have been fine (along with the silent acknowledgement of the secrets still kept between Robin and Superboy). And I still think Light should have been plainer last issue: he was too cryptic for the responses we saw among the Titans here. I expected them to be more confused than threatened by his revelations.

After such a strong start in DC Countdown, the first issue of the **OMAC Project **was a big disappointment: this miniseries is off to a very rocky start. While Rucka does a good job of using Sasha Bordeaux to establish the malignancy of Maxwell Lord’s Checkmate [which now resembles a cross between the Titans’ Hive and the X-men’s Hellfire Club]; and there was a nice scene furthering the differences between Wonder Woman and the rest of the dear departed Beetle’s detractors; neither sequence balances the story’s biggest problem: Rucka’s characterization of Batman, one that flies in the face of almost every other portrayal I’ve seen before.

Here, we are expected to buy the idea that Batman has allowed himself to become somehow, emotionally dependent on the heretofore unseen Brother Eye system. [It would have made more sense if, instead, Oracle had gone bad, perhaps as a result of the Brainiac infection she suffered(?) in Birds of Prey. If Rucka is trying to quote Alan Moore here (the Leader’s dependence on the Fate Computer system in V for Vendetta, he’s quoting the wrong thing.] These scenes struck me as so weird, so unlikely, that even with the expressions of doubt and fallibility Bats has made in recent issues of Winnick’s Batman and The Outsiders, my annoyance prevented me from appreciating the threat Brother Eye represents to the heroes of the DCU (which should motivate the action to come). I’m amazed that the Batman that I’ve watched evolve (as least since Frank Miller’s work in the mid-80’s) doesn’t have a failsafe system built into Brother Eye’s satellite hardware, and doesn’t simply press a system self destruct button (esp. after his contingency plans have gone so far wrong before, in Waid and Porter’s JLA and this summers terribly uneven Batman: War Games crossover). This does not bode well for the rest of this miniseries. For the first time, I tempted to skip the whole thing: and I’m one of the readers who has been celebrating the potential of DC’s renewed emphasis on continuity.

Infiltration Flights & Winged Furies

This week’s Bird-Books are packed with incident, twists and turns, and lots of suspense. Both were satisfying reads though I felt the waves of action in P&G’s Hawkman felt a bit like a freeway “pile on” this month, compared to the more measured pace of Simone’s Birds of Prey. It’s hard NOT to make such comparisons this month, as Joe Bennett penciled both titles this month.

Like 100 Bullets #60, Birds of Prey #81 is a decent set up for the story to follow, involving what I suspect are two very different kinds of infiltration operations. The Canary and Wildcat attempt to effect a sting operation against a Singapore drug-lord and get forced into the usual dilemma one sees when suspected undercover “moles” have to prove themselves to potential ‘business partners’. Lots of interesting local color here, including some juicy martial arts mythology for those of us who’ve watched far too many kung fu movies, and some warm character bits about the Canary’s relationships with her elders in the JSA. Simone’s Canary is really becoming the “good daughter” of the DCU, a rarity among the Gotham “Bad Girl” set. Much, much more surprising is how the Huntress has kept herself busy since leaving Oracle’s employ. However it looks, I can’t shake the conviction that this too is an sting operation: it’s just more elaborate. It’s also a return to form. The Huntress having merely returned to her original calling: wiping out the ‘way of life’ that destroyed her immediate family years ago. She’s just going about it in a much more ambitious, and dangerous, manner than Oracle, Canary and the Wildcat. It appears Helena’s life among the Birds has raised her sights, and taught her the virtues of team work (hence Savant and Creote): good for her!

Kendra Saunders, back in full bore anger mode, embarks on an whirlwind rampage across St. Roch in Hawkman #39, terrorizing informants all over town, trying to find leads on the missing Carter Hall looking for leads. Along the way we’re introduced to another dangerous woman: the Hummingbird, a kind of cheerful cheerleader from hell, with all the warmth and compassion of Sleeper’s Ms. Misery. Meanwhile a drugged out Carter Hall converses with a hawk-headed god at the gates of what looks like an Egyptian Asgard, an encounter that connects directly to a shocking (if not particularly surprising) ending (deliberately telegraphed just before Carter’s little mind-trip). This also ties in nicely with a dangling plot thread left over from an issue of JSA I’ve been wondering about. (JSA readers might recall a wierd conversation between Kendra and the Angel from the JLA some time back.) Carter’s, “love is coming” all right, and Kendra’s apparent demise this issuejust eases the way - or at least that’s my prediction for now…

Thanks for reading: thoughts folks?

True. Good points on the competent but not stunning artwork.

I also object to them missing out on several of Dr. Light’s cooler powers: 1) making solid light duplicates of himself that explode on contact and 2) the ability to project people into “sidereal” worlds (demi-planes, for you D&D-ers) that will more-or-less negate their powers. Plus one of his new powers is kinda stoopid (the ability to take Superboy’s heat vision out of his body in a neat little ball of energy 'cause it’s light-based? C’mon.

On the other hand, can we all be thankful that we didn’t have a “very special episode” moment about AIDS?

I think the theory here is that the brainwipe incident when Dr. Light was lobotomized, also had the effect of mentally damaging Batman as well. (Which would explain some of his stupider actions across the last few decades. Like refusing to let the JLA help bring food to Gotham during a natural disaster (I still don’t get that one) or having files on how to kill the JLA unencrypted on the (network enabled) Bat-computer or deluding himself into thinking that people believe that he’s an urban legend when he’s been on national TV any number of times or stopping Hal Jordan from saving untold billions upon billions upon billions of people/aliens/sentient beings with no risk whatsoever (never understood that one either) ).

I’m pretty comfortable with the idea that the Batman we’ve been seeing for the last decade or so (especially during the Denny O’Neill reign) has been severely brain-damaged. Hell, when it comes right down to it, I can’t think of a better explaination for most of his behavior! :wink: :stuck_out_tongue:

Favorite line of the week:

“Okay, this completely violates Growing Man continuity”
-Asgardian
Young Avengers #3

I hope this book sticks around.

Unfortunately I only got to the store today and missed OMAC #1.

As funny a supposition as this is, we’re only told that Batman got a memory wipe - not the brain rewiring that Dr. Light got.

The memory wipes don’t seem to have caused longterm mental damage.

Maybe we’ll find out more in the next JLA arc, in which Batman has a falling out with the league on this very subject.

Somewhat unbelievably, I might add, since excepting the returned-by-that-point Hal Jordan, none of the League members of today were even there for his mindwipe. Meh.

Does anyone else think the OMAC project strongly resembles a magnified version of the JLA Tower of Babel arc so far?

More from this week : JLA - I agree that the justification for the Batman/J’onn switcheroo was pretty thin. I liked seeing Red Tornado get some respect. Nice use of the Construct - I hope that’s a continuity addition that sticks. **JLA Classified ** : Woo! I’ve had to partition this series in my mind, away from current DCU continuity - but in that spirit, it’s fun fun fun. Nice seeing Ice. Naked Bea! “Ask her what carrier she uses!”

Coulda done so in Batman’s case–he knows something’s wrong, but per Zat’s spell is not allowed to conciously be aware of it.

The Construct is one of those characters that coulda been a contender had he been used. I believe he’s only showed up two or three times after he was created to be an Ultron-esque character by Steve Englehart who was finishing up his Celestial Madonna stuff in J.L. of A. after being kicked out of Marvel. Possibly best run of Justice League ever, maybe because Englehart wanted to show Marvel how dumb they were for getting rid of him.*

Fenris

*He was fired A) 'cause he was often late…waaaaaaaay late and B) Because Gerry Conway, then Editor in Chief(?–maybe just editor) wanted to write the book and there was no rule at the time (they implemented it in reaction to this) that an editor can’t write his own book.

The theory assumes facts not in evidence yet. It is at once reasonable to think the JLA might install a block in Batman’s head, knowing that he’d figure things out - and also deeply, deeply out of character for them - even moreso than the plain memory wipe.

**Young Avengers ** - A classic in the making. **Cable and Deadpool ** - Fans of the JLI might want to investigate this book to fulfill their Bwahaha-quotient. It serves well. **Wolverine ** - The last two pages made me laugh. A lot. In the sense that it’s just so over the top, and yet, just exactly what Wolverine would say and do.

Fenris, you’re leaving?

What the hell-- our semi-annual face-off is coming up in August! Man, I was ready for you! Look, see – I got a Baffle Ray Gun. I trained with this whole stack of Mort Weisinger-era SUPERMAN comics to get inside your head! I’ve got a whole platoon of easily damaged Virtual Reality robots with the exploding Logic Inhibitors and uploaded with the latest W32 series computer viruses! Dude… I bought minions.

I guess I’ll have to learn to hone my june geek-fu against pretenders like Big Bad Voodoo Lou and CandidGamera. Feh.

Maybe this new guy, WonK, will provide some amusement once he learns how to code.

Great. I used to spar with a hellhound. Now I’m down to some random religious nut hougan and a punstruck geek with a Penzance fixation. :: Terrance Stamp in SUPERMAN II :: Is there no one left on this board with the wit to even challenge me???

(WonK, Lou and Canny – I keed, I* keed*.)

To be blunt, the whole series featured just about every single character out of character at one point or other. Just looking at that specific situation, there were a number of characterization problems. First, I don’t see Batman having a hissy-fit about their attempt to make Dr. Light not think about attacking their families* (Bats certainly has no problem with Green Arrow mutiliating people for example, or illegally obtaining evidence or…Superman would blow a gasket though), I’m not sure Zatanna would be able to get a spell off that quickly (I like that she can, but…), Hawkman (maybe–I’m not sure which iteration this is: Egyptian wouldn’t mind, but Space-Cop would have a major issue) and most damning of all, Barry would NEVER, EVER consent to it. Not only was he a cop and big on due process, but even worse, at the time the flashback occured, Barry would have thought his wife had been killed *by a guy…Clive someone) who’d undergone behavior modification (see “Clockwork Orange”) that had gone awry. It wasn’t learned for quite a while (a year or so, realtime) that Zoom had actually done it. Given that, per IC, Iris had “just been killed” by a guy Barry believed did it because he was made crazy from behavior modification, there’s no possible way he’d ever go along with it. He’d be less likely than Batman would.

All that said, they had to alter Bat’s memories and make him not notice. Batman, unless forced not to, would notice that he’d lost 10 minutes. He’s “the world’s greatest detective” after all. He knows what time he beamed up, he knows what time he beamed down and he knows how long he was in their HQ. Unless they told him not to notice, he would.

Fenris

*I just reread it: the lobotomy was clearly an unintended consequence. They were trying to make him not think about attacking their loved ones. And even if they were when it comes down to it, there’s not much difference between a mind-wipe and personality modification (if that IS what they were doing–the FLASH tie-ins contradict the main story). Hell, the personality alteration is arguably less intrusive: I am my memories. Take away an hout of my memories, you’ve killed “me”, the person typing this. The fact that an earlier copy of myself is now running around doesn’t change the fact that the “me” of now is dead.