{New Dr Who Season, UK pace} [edited title]

[DSeid]

@yastobaal

… At the moment my brain is all full of theories , and reading the spoilers full of peoples thoughts about who’s the mother and who River is isn’t helping.

Well they’ve thrown so many clues at us. Many of them have to be feints.

Is it important that The Silence’s equipment is very similar to that discovered by The Doctor in “The Lodger” ep? Or is that just a red herring?

What did happen between Amy shooting at “The Spaceman” just as the girl is revealed to be in the suit, and their faux being hunted down and how did Canton not get controlled by the message?

We are meant to understand that the girl is Amy’s child but that picture could be a feint.

Argh!

[MJinks]

@Bridget_Burke

You may know that Doctor Who ran from 1963 to 1989; it was revived in 2005. The seasons of New Who that starred Christopher Eccleston & David Tennant are all available on Netflix Streaming. The previous year with Matt Smith as the Doctor are On Demand on my cable system. So you could catch up on all the recent stuff pretty easily. (Many Older Who adventures are also on Netflix Streaming, too.)

Or you could just continue watching & ask questions! Or check outThe Internet.

It’s not really hard. It is still a children’s show. A scary children’s show that appeals to adults, too.

I know all about Doctor Who, living in England it’s kind of hard to avoid . I wasn’t complaining about the show. I’m just spoilt by services like LoveFilm (UK version of Netflix) that allow me to watch an entire story arc in a couple of days. I don’t like waiting months (or years!) for a resolution.

[Maus_Magill]

@Pantani

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I do deeeeeeclare the man running the abandoned orphanage did have the MOST annoyin accent.

I suppose since Florida is “south” the Brits think people living there sound like they’re straight out of Driving Miss Daisy?

He was also called Renfrew, who was one of Dracula’s mortal minions. I felt that he rather played the part up as that character well.
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That was Renfield. I did notice the similarities in name and charater, too. It had to have been intentional.

Oh, and the abandoned, scary orphanarium looked like it was in the middle of the state, which (at that time, before Disney World) was the deep south.

[Merijeek]

@DSeid

I would have thought that it had to be Song in the space suit killing The Doctor, which is what she goes to jail for, but then wouldn’t that be in her current past so she’d know that it was her. So we gotta cross it off, right?

She said she’s in there for killing a good man. Someone on here suggested Rory. Sadly, it fits perfectly. The Doctor spends forever saving the Earth over and over, but Rory spent two thousand years guarding a box, alone, to protect a woman he loved.

The boy is toast.

@Czarcasm

The need for fighting has been bred out of them for thousands of years, remember?

That, and they have to ‘build up a charge’. Specifically what The Doctor told River to keep them from doing.

As for the regenerating daughter, it seems pretty clear to me that she is Amy’s daughter. However, due to pregnancy and the TARDIS she’s got a ‘time head’.

In all the official geekery over the last 40+ years have we ever found out HOW the Time Lords got themselves the ability to regenerate?

Something else to consider, but we’ve seen Amy pregnant/not pregnant before - and that was during the Dream Lord(?) episode.

@Tengu

It occurs to me.

The most repeated reference to the Silence in the last series was ‘The Silence will fall.’ Presented, at least once, as a threat.

It’s very possible that our heroes have made things worse.

Brilliant idea. That was something I was trying to square in my head unsuccessfully. Basically, “We are the silence, we’re gonna git ya. And we are going to threaten you with ‘The silence will fall’. Damn, that was a poor plan. Aiiee!”.

The Silence, as a thing, could be scary when it falls. The Silence, as an enemy, would of course be resolved when they fall.

@TBG

I suppose since Florida is “south” the Brits think people living there sound like they’re straight out of Driving Miss Daisy?

Watch the first episode of “Spooks”. As someone who has (unfortunately) lived in the South for 11 years now, that woman had the absolute worst southern accent I have EVER heard.

Anyway, I’m thinking either divergent timelines/Schrodenger’s Universe…or something involving the Dream Lord, which was the other time Amy was both pregnant and not pregnant.

-Joe

[Maus_Magill]

@Merijeek

She said she’s in there for killing a good man. Someone on here suggested Rory. Sadly, it fits perfectly. The Doctor spends forever saving the Earth over and over, but Rory spent two thousand years guarding a box, alone, to protect a woman he loved.

The boy is toast.

I hope this isn’t true. I like Rory, and I would hate to have to kill River. There’s also the whole resolving the paradox thing of having to kill someone whose death has already occured (from The Doctor’s and our perspective.)

In all the official geekery over the last 40+ years have we ever found out HOW the Time Lords got themselves the ability to regenerate?

[howye]

@Merijeek

Something else to consider, but we’ve seen Amy pregnant/not pregnant before - and that was during the Dream Lord(?) episode.

Ohh - At the end of that episode, the Doctor sees the Dream Lord reflected back at him in the Tardis console. That story is not finished.

I pointed out to my wife last night as we were rewatching the most recent episode, the little girl in the spacesuit helmet looked a LOT like the people in the episode where River was introduced. The lighting of the face was almost exactly the same.

She then pointed out the name of the that episode - “Silence in the Library.” An episode where a little girl also featured very prominently.

[Merijeek]

@Maus_Magill

I hope this isn’t true. I like Rory, and I would hate to have to kill River. There’s also the whole resolving the paradox thing of having to kill someone whose death has already occured (from The Doctor’s and our perspective.)

Killing the Doctor isn’t that…final. And fact of the matter is that The Doctor doesn’t actually DIE. So it can’t be him.

It’s gotta be Rory.

I hope that River isn’t Amy’s daughter - too much of a time loop for my tastes. Plus, you think she would have reacted to seeing Amy at some point were that the case.

-Joe

[Merijeek]

So, we know Moffat loves to take something odd and mundane and turn it into a threat. What have we got so far?

Darkness - it isn’t just creepy, the wrong darkness will eat you like a swarm of piranha.

Gas Masks - it isn’t just something that makes you look alien, it turns you into an alien zombie

Sharks - I know the reason I’m not too concerned about sharks is that I don’t spend that much time in the water…but he made them fly.

Creepy statues - Did that thing move when I wasn’t looking? And why are they always crying?

Memory hiccups - Why did I go into the bedroom and walk out again without grabbing those socks?

Anything else?

-Joe

[Maus_Magill]

@Merijeek

In all the official geekery over the last 40+ years have we ever found out HOW the Time Lords got themselves the ability to regenerate?

Dang it. I forgot to address this part. I believe it was stated explicitly in One to Two’s regeneration that the TARDIS was causing the regeneration. In Three to Four’s regeneration, I think the TARDIS was mentioned again. I know it was mentioned Regeneration scrambles the brain, which is why The Doctor behaves a bit oddly after regenerating, and then has a new personality.

[aceplace57]

UK Pace??? The episodes are broadcast the same day in both Britain and the U.S.

[Maus_Magill]

@howye

[Quote=Merijeek]
Something else to consider, but we’ve seen Amy pregnant/not pregnant before - and that was during the Dream Lord(?) episode.

Ohh - At the end of that episode, the Doctor sees the Dream Lord reflected back at him in the Tardis console. That story is not finished.
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Good eye. I hadn’t thought about that. Didn’t Eye Patch Lady say “She’s dreaming,” or something like that? Of course, I hope this season isn’t just a dream. That would be annoying.

[Merijeek]

Assuming the Silence were responsible for the TARDIS exploding (they were, right? It’s a bit fuzzy)…

Maybe the did it to keep any more Time Lords from being born? Assuming the TARDIS is what changed the residents of Galifrey from human-like to actual Time Lords who regenerate?

-Joe

[yastobaal]

@Merijeek

Assuming the Silence were responsible for the TARDIS exploding (they were, right? It’s a bit fuzzy)…

Maybe the did it to keep any more Time Lords from being born? Assuming the TARDIS is what changed the residents of Galifrey from human-like to actual Time Lords who regenerate?

-Joe

wikipedia has info on regeneration including that one of the Doctor’s was forced upon him. I don’t think the TARDIS causes the regeneration ability, it might help to remember:

@River Song

Rule one: the Doctor lies

[Maus_Magill]

Someone had put together a compendium of all the Regenerations on Youtube. It’s annotated, if you turn on the close captioning. It’s very interesting.

[Alan_Smithee]

Ok, a couple of possibilities just occurred to me. I don’t usually spoiler speculation, but if you’re sensitive to that sort of thing, you might want to skip the rest of this post, just in case I’m right.

Whoever the Time Lass is, something’s got to happen to her. I don’t think she’s River, since River’s first meeting with the Doctor is the Doctor’s last with her, and the Doctor already knows all about her. But even if she is, I don’t think she’s going to spontaneously regenerate into a 48-year-old archeologist. It’s been implied, I think, that it takes a very long time for a Time Lord to grow up, and I don’t think they can just leave her to run around the streets of New York as an orphan. They also can’t kill her off; Moffat’s not that dark!

I also don’t think Moffat is going to saddle the show with a permanent child companion. It wouldn’t make sense in-story, either. The Doctor’s not exactly the parental type, and the TARDIS is really no place to raise a child. They could drop Amy and Rory off at home (or somewhere else) to raise the child as their own (especially if she is their’s), but I don’t see that happening either. If the child is really a young Time Lord, or has the powers of one, she should be raised on Gallifrey.

Which means one of two things. Either the Doctor becomes determined to bring back Gallifrey from the end of the Time War, resurrecting all of Time Lord society, just so a little girl has a home (which would be very much like the Doctor to do) or…

Or he can’t bring Gallifrey back, but he can send something to them. To their past, giving her enough time to grow up in relative peace before the start of the Time War. If he could somehow transport her through the Time Lock (like Rassilon projected the white-point star diamond to Earth), could send her back to someone who he knew would care for her. Maybe with some sort of a note attached to a personal seal that would prove who it came from. A note that might read[spoiler]Dear Doctor,

This is your … well, you could call her your granddaughter, in a way. Please take care of her. She comes from Gallifrey’s future, a future the Time Lords would do anything to prevent. Keep her safe.

Her name is Susan.

Yours,
The Doctor[/spoiler]

[Merijeek]

Why do people keep coming up with the name Susan?

-Joe

[Alan_Smithee]

Susan Foreman

[Trion]

@Merijeek

So, we know Moffat loves to take something odd and mundane and turn it into a threat. What have we got so far?

Darkness - it isn’t just creepy, the wrong darkness will eat you like a swarm of piranha.

Gas Masks - it isn’t just something that makes you look alien, it turns you into an alien zombie

Sharks - I know the reason I’m not too concerned about sharks is that I don’t spend that much time in the water…but he made them fly.

Creepy statues - Did that thing move when I wasn’t looking? And why are they always crying?

Memory hiccups - Why did I go into the bedroom and walk out again without grabbing those socks?

Anything else?

-Joe

I was just talking about Moffat’s thematic icons with my wife last night. Here’s what I thought of in addition to yours:

Children asking for help: The little girl and “Are you my mummy?”

Space suits: Silence in the library and this two parter.

Monsters you can’t look away from.

There’s also a theme that I would say encompases the Data Ghosts and the message from Amy they couldn’t respond to. I think there’s a link there, but I can’t define it well.

[Lissla_Lissar]

Cracks in the wall. My toddler was terrified of cracks in the wall for a while.

[Merijeek]

@Trion

Space suits: Silence in the library and this two parter.

There’s also a theme that I would say encompases the Data Ghosts and the message from Amy they couldn’t respond to. I think there’s a link there, but I can’t define it well.

Space suits I’d say is pretty simple - fact of the matter is that it could be anyone or anyTHING in there.

I’d say the other is just pure helplessness. In both cases the person is lost, alone, and frightened, and the person who should be able to help can do absolutely nothing about it. It applied to Bob from the second Angels series and Amy as well, when she was stuck alone, blind in the woods.

-Joe