It’s Ten’s voice. It’s just that David Tennant’s voice is closer to Matt Smith’s than Tom Baker’s is, so it’s easy to miss the difference.
Some of this has already been answered, but what the heck…
OK,remember, the scene in the hallway when Doctorganger slams Amy up against the wall?
[spoiler]That wasn’t the Doctorganger, it was the Doctor. Near as I can tell, they had swapped shoes by about three minutes into the episode, before Amy looks down and notes the differing footwear. So - the Doctor in the hallway has Doctorganger’s shoes, but he’s the original Doctor though everyone thinks he’s Doctorganger, got that?
Now, just before he pushes her into the wall and gets all scary Amy essentially dropped the spoiler into his lap that she saw the Doctor die, his future self invited her to see his death, and her rambling words are clearly heading towards “can you die in his place?” The Doctorganger is unaware of this exchange because he’s back in the evacuation tower with everyone else. He’s not there to hear it.[/spoiler]
I think perhaps the Doctor wasn’t sure if ganger Amy would retain self-awareness or not. Remember, ganger Amy was a different level of the technology, made by different people. I don’t think his primary purpose was killing her, I think it was interrupting the signal that linked her and original Amy. When he did that, one of two things were going to happen: either ganger Amy dissolves into a puddle of goo, since the signal is no longer maintaining her as an Amy, or ganger Amy becomes a separate, self-aware entity. The Doctor saying he’ll make it as humane as he can means he’s figured out a way to interrupt the signal with minimal suffering to all, not that he won’t destroy the ganger. After all, if it was just a matter of eliminating ganger Amy all he has to do it just kill that body but that would cause suffering to at least one sentient being, if not two. Not to mention the effect it would have on Amy to have the Doctor kill her, then wake up a pregnant prisoner Og knows where. The way it happened Amy is spared some trauma and has some clue what’s happening, as well knowing rescue is on the way.
Yes, it did - see ganger Jenn’s speech to the other gangers…
… ganger Jenn remembers all her ganger’s deaths, some of them undoubtedly painful and/or horrific. The other gangers don’t have those memories. I think multiple deaths were a likely cause of her going monster.
Monster Jenn was on the other side of that door, banging away at it. They probably didn’t think the group could out run her before they got to the TARDIS
Yes. Completely forgot about it until Aversin mentioned it up thread. In my defense, I was a bit drunk yesterday. My head is just killing me right now.
I have to disagree. Whatever the Doctor was doing, it didn’t seem to be just disrupting the signal. Monster Jen, ganger Doctor and ganger Leader Lady all were independent gangers and they had no signal going to them, yet they seem to have been destroyed by the same mechanism as ganger Amy. Also, during the episode we saw the remains of several discarded gangers and they hadn’t liquefied even after there was no more signal going to them. Your point about ganger Amy’s technology maybe being different from the one we saw these two episodes may be right, but it can’t have been too different as the Doctor’s goal during this story, as he admits near the end, was to learn enough about “flesh” to figure out how to block the signal to ganger Amy (and trace it back, I presume). He seems to have intentionally destroyed the construct when it’s not clear that was actually necessary. This may still get cleared up later, but I don’t think it will and it bugs me.
Again, :smack:. In my defense (again), I probably forgot about this because the scene was so unconvincing. The actress who portrayed Jen was just awful IMO, and I had a hard time taking anything she said seriously. In this scene in particular, her over the top delivery about her suffering in past lives, coupled with the other gangers’ reaction (no, we don’t remember) and what we know about ganger physiology (that their nerve endings shut down to prevent pain going back to the controller) just made me think that ganger Jen was just making it up or hallucinating the memories. The way I interpreted it the first time around, ganger Jen makes a sudden and absolute conversion to the ganger liberation cause for whatever reason and loses her mind in the process, later she makes up stories about suffering in past lives to justify herself. In retrospect it seems pretty clear you’re right about the writer’s intentions behind this scene. I just wish they’d used another (and better) actress for Jen. Anyways, convincing or not, there was at least an attempted explanation, which is enough for me.
I know. Still, the group could have gotten in the Tardis first and then the other two could have made a run for it. Nothing was stopping them and they could at least have tried. They didn’t need to die heroically, they could have died trying to escape or, hell, maybe even survive. This was just lazy writing, IMO.
I can’t remember, when did Amy first see the eye-patch woman? Was it before or after the silence kidnapped her?
She’s in the orphanage following the girl in the space suite. The girl goes into her room, closes the door, and Amy sees Lady (or Madame) Kovarian (small spoiler, that’s eye patch lady’s name) then.
Good point. Before. It was opening in the door before she into the room where the girl was and before she was kidnapped. But after the missing period after she shot at the spaceman who was actually the girl.
On preview, as just said.
But if I remember right, Amy said she was pregnant at the very first episode, before seeing eye-patch woman. It was after seeing the Silence, but I got the impression she hadn’t just found out about it. I mean, how could she?
When one of the silence said something to Amy like, “Tell the doctor everything he must know, and what he must never know.” I wonder if the second part is about the Doctor’s death.
But they clearly didn’t need the two of them pressing up against the door - the Doctor Ganger had enough time to step away from the door and give Amy a hug for way longer than a dash to the TARDIS would have taken.
Remember, not all the questions from season 5 have been answered. And the Doctor said Amy hasn’t been there for a very long time. It seems unlikely, but for all we know it’s always been ganger Amy.
I am also still waiting to see how the AmyGanger fits with the pregnant/not pregnant scan. Amy knew she was pregnant while they were looking for spaceman in that abandoned building that had the Silents in its basement but by the next episode, before she saw eyepatch lady, she was claiming she wasn’t anymore. No answer as to how she knew she wasn’t. And after that it was established that she is in an indeterminate pregnancy state by The Doctor’s scanning.[spoiler]So I’m placing the AmyGanger substitution in the missing period after she shot at the spaceman/girl and the opening of the next episode when she was on the run.
I don’t think thay AmyGanger would have been able to remember up The Doctor or that Amy would have still have been existing at the point of everything else but them not existing.[/spoiler]
On unrelated matters, when the Doctor met Nixon, I really wanted (and nearly expected) to see something like this:
I’d also really like to see the following dialog some day to clear up the whole confusion about the Doctor’s age. (Moffat has said the Doctor doesn’t really know how old he is, but that doesn’t satisfy me. We know he’s lied about ti before, though):
Meh. OK the
revelations at the end of the episode
were pretty cool, but the writing for the main part of the the double episode was absolutely horrible. An utter mess with an utterly clichéd subject matter (the whole concept of the use of the gangers being so obviously just “Avatar”). For me this has been the send worst series of new Who, the worst being the succession of “specials” that we had instead of a proper series. Gaiman’s has been the only watchable episode this series IMHO.
Anyone notice the similarity of Eye Patch woman and River Song? Especially the hair style and makeup? I know imdb says it’s a different actress. Got to be a reason they look similar.
On Confidential they mentioned Amy Ganger has been around all season. I think she probably was switched during that trip to Arizona to meet the Doctor. Clever way to spy on the Doctor. I bet every word was monitored by Eye Patch lady.
Turning off the link led to a shocking end. Had to be done, so The Doctor can rescue the real Amy.
Not particularly, nope?
Wow, you’re really seeing something I’m not if you had to check who the actress was to determine she isn’t the same person! 
Okay, I might have to re-watch the previous one. When they grew the ganger didn’t it end up with clothes that were essentially part of it? Or am I mixing this up with some other discussion about shape-shifters (like the one saying Odo was essentially naked all the time). But if their clothes are part of them then how could the Doctors
switch shoes?
Mid season Finale (very minor spoilers). Looks really good.
Prequel
trailer
I know the name of Amy’s baby.
Do tell, irishgirl
It isn’t Melody, is it?
…I’d have to respectfully disagree with you: I thought the pirate episode was dreadful, but it was on a par with Victory of the Daleks last season, and I’m prepared to give the series a pass on at least one episode per season!
But I’ve personally loved the last other episodes this season, but that might be more because I’m getting a very clear idea of where Moffatt is going with the series, and each surprise reveal (like Pond in this episode) haven’t come out of nowhere, fits in with the clues that have been left in the series, and nothing feels like a cheat.
And I can’t stop gushing about Matt Smith. I’ve watched all of Pertwee until Davidson, and from Eccleston to Tennant, and Smith has easily become my favourite incarnation of the Doctor ever. I could watch him read the phone book and love every minute of it! And the Ponds are cool, I understand Rory at a meta-level you wouldn’t believe!
OPEN SPOILERS UP TO CURRENT UK PACE (CONTAINS SPECULATION ON UPCOMING EPISODES, BUT NO FUTURE SPOILERS)
Sooooo much happened in this episode that made me go wahhh!? In a cool way of course!
My brother pointed out something about the Sonic Screwdriver, that a few people have commented on here. When the real Doctor woke up, the Sonic Screwdriver was shown quite prominently above his head.
We then cut to the other Doctor, who uses the Sonic quite obviously.
A few minutes later when the the man dies, it is shown that there is only one ring, so that obvious metals are not duplicated in flesh.
And then toward the end, the real Doctor gives up his Sonic to the other flesh Doctor, who doesn’t have one. So the question is, was the Doctor passing on a “designed to kill the flesh Sonic” that he had just finished programming? Or was it a continuity error? Or (my preferred theory) was there a third Doctor running around?
I always thought that the episode Amy’s Choice had a lot more significance to the ongoing plot, and boy I wasn’t wrong! Remember the two realities that Amy was living in? One on the Tardis, one not. One where she was pregnant, one where she wasn’t.
When did Amy get pregnant? I’m convinced she was probably pregnant during the Silurian episodes: remember the scan of her body? Quite possibly she was impregnated all the way back in The Beast Below when she lost time, or maybe in the Angels two parter. And I suspect River knows more than she is letting on. Who transported Amy? Who injected Amy with something? Who locked Amy in with the Weeping Angel?
So many unanswered questions with the real prospect of getting them answered! I am so looking forward to the rest of the series!