Ah, but if this insane daftness keeps up, they will. Just give it time. 
I’m just a little miffed that Urbanredneck left this thread…(again) without reacting to my declaring him evil!
All you folks with your facts and science, and he went for that, instead of my insults!
Oh well, we know he’s gnashing his teeth, trying to figure out how to respond without breaking his statement that he’s not coming back. Maybe another thread?
Buh-buh, bye, you coward.
I think the above quotation may shed some light on your question. He didn’t appear to believe that measles, mumps or chicken pox could possibly have fatal results.our if they do, it didn’t matter because it wouldn’t be his kid, so who cares ?
Is it against the rules to hope he gets shingles and regrets his position? (If only to teach him a lesson, mind you.)
And if they do, it’s “God’s will” or some such.
That could be a big part of it. As a native Floridian, I’ve gotten somewhat sanguine about hurricanes (usually grateful, because they bring much needed rain.) But they are dangerous storms and people have died. In 2004, when four storms hit, we got pretty savvy again real quick. But it’s been 12 years since Florida’s been hit by a bad storm. How many people have moved here or forgotten, and think it’s just a bad thunderstorm? Who think it’s an excuse to party and eat all the ice cream when the power goes out?
So unless the generation has lived through it, they’re not going to appreciate what a big deal it is to eradicate it. We take so much for granted…clean water, air conditioning, the ability to travel. It wasn’t that long ago that people drank ale because the stream was something you pooped in.
ivylass, when I was in high school my grandmother, who at the time would have been in her late sixties(born 1904) told me she didn’t believe in “the good old days” One of the things she liked was modern medicine. Grandma was one of six children her mother bore, and only three lived to see children of their own. One died the day after birth. Although he had appeared healthy my great grandmother had German measles while carrying him and his twin brother. So something may have been wrong inside. Luckily, the other twin survived. One child, a three year old toddler, died of diptheria, and another brother died of pneumonia at eighteen. My grandmother’s one remaining sister died of the flu, at thirty five, leaving orphaned children.
If my grandmother met an anti-vaxxer(she died in 2012) she probably would have cussed hime out. And I say this having never even heard her utter the word “damn”
As an aside Grandma also loved all the modern conveniences, like air conditioning, refrigerators, freezers, INDOOR BATHROOMS, washing machines and clothes dryers. She said “life is easier than it used to be”.
Birth control! I bet Grandma didn’t have that. Being able to enjoy sex without the fear of getting pregnant, that’s another thing we take for granted.
You know, that’s one thing I never remember talking to her about. I have no idea what her opinions on birth control were, but I bet she would have approved.
No your ‘feeling’ does NOT trump science.
Because it costs children’s lives!
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/06/24/david-and-collet-stephan-sentencing_n_10660396.html
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This. I’m tired of treating these creatures as crackpots and loons. What they say has demonstrably real consequences, see measles in Cali, and they are killing people as sure as if they had AK47ss
The First Amendment has legally proscribed limits. What Urbanredneck and his ilk do is the functional equivalent of yelling “Fire,” in a crowded theater. This should be proscribed speech because it causes children with stupid parents to die.
Did you happen to notice in that story that the parents, dumbasses they are, first took the child to a naturopath? I think perhaps I should get licensed as a naturopathic physician (mind you, the mysterious exam tests the aspirant on certain medical and scientific issues which the NP obviously just ignores for the rest of their lives. “Why do you want to get such a license, Monty?” you may ask. Good question. Well, there is one thing that I do like about it: the NP does engage in something called “lifestyle counseling”. Here’s how I would conduct said lifestyle counseling in an emergency:
[ul][li]Parent: Doc, my kid’s stiff as a board out in the car. Do something naturopath that Big Pharma and The Medical Establishment are keeping secret so they can make money at the expense of my child’s health, etc.[/li][li]Me: Whacking parent upside head You moron! The kid’s going to die if you don’t get real medical help. Take him to a hospital. Then shoot yourself. You’re too stupid to live.[/ul][/li]
Of course, I’d get stricken off the rolls immediately, but I’d’ve saved one child’s life.
Oh, have I mentioned that I live in China? Did I mention that I spent almost a decade living in South Korea? Did I mention on the boards before that I spent half a decade living in Japan? All three countries have been afflicted with “traditional medicine”. Thankfully, there’s a growing movement to dismiss that bullshit for the bullshit it is. I wish it would be eradicated (the bullshit, not the movement to eradicate it) in my lifetime, but with jackasses like urbanredneck touting similar bullshit (for fucking free, mind you!), the quacks obviously have nothing to worry about, sadly.
Look, urbanredneck: When you tout this bullshit, you prove that you simply do not care about your child. You care about showing off how wonderfully you’ve put one over on “the bastards that screwed the children”. The heroes here are the legitimate medical community, the doctors and researchers who developed effective vaccines, and the legislators who enacted laws requiring vaccines to protect the health of not only the children of imbeciles such as you, but of the entire community. You, sir, are not a hero; you are one of the aforementioned bastards. You are not doing this stupid stunt of yours to save any children; to the contrary, you are putting people at risk by spreading dangerous ignorance. Did you fucking fail every science class you took in your entire life? If not, how can you look yourself in the mirror? You are a shill for someone who is a proven fraud and is, at least morally, a murderer. You are scum. I’m with dropzone: You and your ilk belong in prison for the harm and death you cause.
I hear what you’re saying. I really do. But I honestly don’t understand how anyone could be that ignorant unless they had some sort of cognitive disability and were unable to process even the simplest of logical ramifications. Because no matter how dewy eyed or wrong-headed I wanted to be on my own behalf, I’d be damned if I’d take the chance of killing my own frigging child. For if there was even a .00001% that I wasn’t accurate that “It can’t happen to my kid!” and something horrible befell them due to my own ego, arrogance, ineptitude and negligence, I’d off myself instead. Those people don’t deserve to be parents. Give the job to someone who’ll actually have those babies’ best interests at heart. Lord knows those fuckers don’t.
In the interests of promoting facts, there was nothing in that article that indicated the child’s death was a result of lack of immunisation, rather, he died from bacterial meningitis which could have been contracted in any number of ways.
But the parents were fucking idiots AND probably subscribed to the anti-vax shit anyway…
So, you may return to your regular pitting schedule.
And if only you would extend that courtesy to the rest of the board, we would be a happier family.
Feelings. Sure, it’s painfully bad, but not as vile and harmful as the OP!
And if you go with your “feelings” instead of science when it comes to the health of your child, there’s a damn good chance you’ll be alone again, naturally.
The thing is, the antivaxxers and vaccine hesitant say the same thing about vaccines. If there’s even a .00001% chance that one of those rare adverse vaccine reactions happened to my kid, and something horrible befell them due to my allowing the doctor’s ego, arrogance, ineptitude and negligence to prevail… you see where this is going, right?
I honestly do believe - having lived on both sides now - that everyone has their kid’s best interest at heart…some people are just really shitty at figuring out the odds. Yes, it’s *exactly *Dunning-Kruger at work. The odds are that your kid is far more likely to be harmed by a vaccine preventable illness than a vaccine. If we could just get that into people’s heads, then their natural concern for their children’s well-being would lead to vaccination. We just haven’t figured out a good way to do that. More education from nurses and doctors actually *decreases *intent to vaccinate rates. So what the fuck do we do?
But I still think it comes down to what that .00001% chance might result in. I have a dear, dear friend whose son is severely autistic. So much so, that going on 6 he’s still not completely potty trained, can’t hardly put whole sentences together and won’t very likely ever live on his own. So, I’ve seen first hand how horrible it can be both for the sufferer and the caregivers. Yet, if the slightest, slimmest possibility is that my child would have autism, I’d rather that be the chance I’d take, than the .00001% that the same child could wind up dead. There’s no equivalence there to me. Period.