Perhaps I missed something, but - Cite ?
I don’t recall any gleeful support of the death of civilians.
Well, I think it would be more productive to logically examine his arguments rather than demanding he enlist.
Have you ever been in the military, Nietzsche? It isn’t for everyone. And I find it a bit distasteful that the military service of others is being used as a rhetorical tool against someone. It seems a bit disrespectful of said service, which should be honored in its own right.
Oh please. You’re right. You didn’t specifically say you want innocents killed. But you did say…
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So perhaps you stopped just short of cheering for the death of innocents, but you certainly were dancing quite gleefully around it. To suggest otherwise is nothing short of disingenuous horseshit.
Mr Moto:
Well, you’ll forgive me for not sharing your view that the military is some deity that should never be mentioned in discussion. If you are so concerned about the disrespect of your fellow soldiers, perhaps you should direct your ire at those who are deliberately wishing for an escalation of the conflict while they themselves face no direct harm.
So in other words, your accusation was false, misleading and untrue.
And an escalation of the conflict is what I see as a good strategy, IMO. The conflict is far from over, and it is smart to identify ones enemies from the start. I don’t buy into the two-faced game that certain people play. I’m not just referring to Iraq of course. Iraq is just a small piece in the bigger puzzle.
Is that my view? I thought my view was that someone’s status as a civilian shouldn’t be used to pressure such person to not express his opinions.
And right now, I don’t face direct harm either. Am I permitted to have opinions on this subject?
I assume you’re not going to call me a chickenhawk. Right?
It made sense the first time Mr. Moto. Sadly, this thread has degenerated into yet another bile spewing contest. I disagree that it’s the stupidest such exchange ever seen here. For example, the recent tumult over Canadians vs Americans, seems to me, at least equally pointless. There’ve probably been worse cases, but thankfully, they’re soon consigned to the dustbin of history.
Are people like you even allowed on this forum ?
I agree that saying he has no right to support the war if he’s not fighting is ludicrous. However, his statement of “Bring it on baby,” when he’s not willing to be the one getting it brought on him, strikes me as moral cowardice: “Let’s you and him fight.”
I agree with Sublight. The point is that it’s very easy to sit in your easy chair with your hand down your pants “watching the war” on CNN and scream “BRING IT ON! YOU KILL ONE WE KILL TEN! THAT’S THE CHICAGO WAY” when there is exactly ZERO chance that he will suffer even a scratch.
I’m not just talking about Iraq, I live in the city that is the most desirable terrorist target in the entire USA. When and if the next attack happens, chances are it’ll be near by me, so I’ll say whatever the fuck I please about the matter, and I won’t have any fascist morons trying to censor my views or tell me I don’t have a right to speak my mind if I don’t sign up or do this or that.
Cry me a river. I work in a high rise in the financial district of Chicago. You don’t get a little badge for living near a terrorist target.
No one here is censoring you, just pointing out that loudmouth pussy shouldn’t really be screaming get it on when he’s not the one giving up his fucking head when it’s brought.
I’m a target for terrorists too. I want them stopped as well, I just hate to see our nation’s military reduced to a scrapbook of photos of dumbass soldiers getting their rocks off about how they duct taped some guys balls or whatever. Is that really how you want the WHOLE REST OF THE FUCKING WORLD to see your country?
Talk all you want “Mr. Truth”. You’re losing your mind. In the words of beetlejuice: IT KEEPS GETTIN’ FUNNIER…EVERY SINGLE TIME I SEE IT!
There’s nothing wrong with saying “Bring it on.”. We are at war afterall, and it is desirable to engage the enemy before rather than afterwards. You’re entitled to your opinion, and I am entitled to mine. You don’t see me trying to censor anybody, or tell them to STFU, just because I don’t like what they’re saying. As for how the world sees us, they’re going to look at us through their tainted glasses regardless, so it doesn’t really matter what they think. What matters is winning the war of course, and once again, I don’t just mean Iraq.
No one is trying to censor you. I’ll try to make this as easy for you to understand as possible. You have a right to post, within the rules of this message board, whatever you like. You do not have a right to post whatever you like here without other people saying you are an idiot, or that your posts smack of a certain degree of chickenhawkosity. Not that difficult to understand, really…
Every time I have the paperwork to naturalize all filled out, I meet someone like you, on line or in the real world. And the papers get shelved for another period.
Thank god we have Pinhead Aldebaran out here to point things out.
Apparently, according to this genius, the USers can do anything they want, since they’re already the bad guys in every concievable way.
Now that we’ve accepted this, genius A will need to get a new schtick.
Salaam. J
I’m practically next door to the NYSE, about as high value as it gets. You don’t hear me screaming war cries of BRING IT ON!!!
In fact I’m more like DON’T BRING IT ON!!!
As much as I wish otherwise, The Truth is certainly not alone in his sentiments, and it’s enlightened me to an interesting phenomenon in our society.
There are some people that are simply naturally aggressive and militaristic. They are your big talkers, ‘bring it on’ ‘we’ll kick their asses’ types. They always want to be the biggest guy (or girl) in the room- if not in physical presence, then by being the most provocative person there. To them, war is not a necessary evil…it’s sort of the 7th inning stretch during the humdrum routine of modern civilization. It helps work out the kinks, makes the remainder of the game tolerable.
A fair number of these folks enlist…the rest run their mouths on internet discussion boards.
Look, war is going to happen. Bad things happen in war. I think we all accept that. But the ‘rules of war’ exist for more than the protection of our enemies. I am not comfortable with giving anyone permission (explicit or implicit) to torture and dehumanize anyone if they are eventually going to rejoin the civilian population. It’s not something you can just turn on and off.
Yes, we call those folks “chickenhawks.”
Or, as they say in Washington DC, “Mr. President.”
Or, as they say on talk radio, “Rush.”
I refer you to the points I made above.
Would you call FDR a chickenhawk, rjung? How about Bill Clinton? I’m joining the VFW because I was involved in a conflict during his presidency.
Bill Clinton was pushing the nation into an unnecessary war? What history books have you been reading?