Following BZ00000’s logic, since he has a computer and a means of connecting to the Internet, that means he wants someone to take over it and use it to hack into the Pentagon.
BZ00000, can you understand that just because you have something that can be used for a certain purpose, doesn’t mean you want it to be used for that purpose? When I ordered telephone service, there was (unfortunately) no box to check saying “I don’t want any unsolicited calls from telemarketers or about anything commercial, ever.” - or I would have checked it. Read Cervaise’s examples again - they are very good.
And saying that reeling in the telemarketers will impede the war on terror is worthy of a new category of logical fallacy all of its own.
Is this finally the begining of the end for telemarketing? God fucking damn! I hope so! Some of you are aware of the extreme measures I have taken to avoid getting calls! My dream is that some day in history people will look back at telemarketing the same way we look back at slavery (…“I can’t believe something like that was actually allowed in America!”)
The new regulations are flawed. Nowhere do I see the consequences for telemarketers who break the rules be having gas dumped on them and be burned alive! I fucking hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, HATE! telemarketers!:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
This is a great idea. Now all they need to do is hire a bunch of people to call everyone in America during dinner to ask if they want to sign up for the Do-Not-Call list.
I heard on the news last night that this new regulation excludes the biggest offenders, credit card companies and telephone companies. Hmmm. No key legislators got big donations from those folks, nosiree… Heck, leaving those two industries in won’t affect my spam call volume very much…
Intending to find that loophole for phone companies and credit card companies, I clicked on the link to read the story.
That’s when I read the poll questions, and the available responses: “Yes, the gov’t needs to rein in telemarketers”, and “No, the industry can police itself.”
I guess the only way to avoid voting for a position I don’t agree with here is to refuse to vote. Because MY “No” is because I favor an opt-IN list, rather than an opt-OUT list, and not because I believe the industry can police itself.
In general, I am inclined to agree. However, I also completely understand why this so upsets people. I think that it has to do with the general overload of modern life.
Look at it this way, in a typical day (an I am sure that I am not alone here) a great portion of my experience is being in fight of flight mode. From the moment that I hit the street, I am dodging shady people that are trying to get money from me, crammed in to a bus far closer to folks than the noble ape inside cares for (if I am that near someone, I should either be fucking them of beating the crap out of them). Then I get to work, and the stress continues.
My home is a place of refuge. A sanctuary, if you will. When that is disturbed, well, that pretty much falls under the category of Barbarians at the fucking gate. I can see how this is a last straw issue for a lot of folks.
Well, thanks for the insult. Perhaps this ape can rephrase things so that your delicate sensibilities are not offended.
Insofar as I, as a human being, have personal space requirements (a fact that is pretty well documented in both sociological and psychological fields of study) and given that the two most common situations that could result in another human being sharing my personal space would either be if that person and I are engaged in some form of sexual or otherwise intimate behavior or that person is attempting to attack me, and further presupposing that these expectations derive from adaptively successful behavior that has been selected for over many generations of my species, it is not unreasonable for a self-aware human being to notice that when forced in to “unnatural” proximity that some atavistic discomfort arises.
I don’t blame you, Bianarydome. I’m certain others on the bus feel the same way and I don’t blame them either. I like riding the bus myself, but when it gets crowded, it’s amusing to watch, but no fun to be in unless you’re with someone.
ANYWAY, I myself never considered a CALL list rather than a Do Not Call list. Come to think of it, I think a CALL list would be easier to manage and put together. Course there probably wouldn’t be THAT many people on the CALL list, but that would make it even easier for Telemarketers to sell stuff, yah? They get $$$, those on the Call List get stuff and those not on the list get no calls. Everybody happy!
Delicate sensibilities? I’m not the one getting all worked up about riding on crowded buses, and then over-reacting to what was, or at least was meant to be, a rather ironic comment.
I never said that such a situation should not make you uncomfortable. And i am perfectly well aware of many of the sociological and psychological studies regarding humans’ need for personal space. But many of those studies also point out that people are generally well able to adapt to situations in the modern world that result in encroachment on their comfort zone, and that they accept such situations as inevitable in an increasingly crowded and fast-moving society.
Well, depending on how often one rides the bus, has sex, and gets into fights, the relative frequency of these things can vary considerably. If one doesn’t happen to have a partner, and is not much of a fighter, then i can envision that being on the bus might be the most common experience that person has of “sharing personal space.”
You’ve also conveniently changed the one line that was most responsible for my earlier post. “I should…be…beating the crap out of them” has now become “attempting to attack me.” Nice, smooth shift there.
mhendo, I am sorry, really, from the bottom of my heart if my examples of the ways in which modern life stress me out (and by extrapolation, based on observable behavior, conversations and as the notion that I would have similar emotions to other humans) did not sit well with you. Clearly, such a refined soul as yourself should not have been exposed to my abrasive and base examples.
By the same token, I must be doubly contrite to not realize that you were intending to be ironic. To my obviously oversensitive nature, you seemed to be insulting (to say nothing of aiming for a nitpick rather than refuting my original point (assuming that you disagreed with it and were not simply pointing out the error of my ways, you being one of those rare advanced souls that walk the earth to enlighten we apes)).
That said, and to return to the subject of this thread, I will still contend that in modern western industrialized life, there are many stresses for which we are not fully adapted and which seem threatening on the more basic levels. The fact that we can cope with them (i.e. by repressing normal territorial urges while in a crowd) in no way mitigates the fact that this negative response occurred. That said, it is a completely reasonable reaction to want one place away from all of this (for a lot of us this is our homes). When that sanctuary is invaded, we get upset out of proportion to the actual inconvenience precisely because we have had to work so hard for this quiet in the heart of the storm.
Think about it, we tend to get very upset about the things that impact our nests. Door to door proselytizers, loud neighbors, bad roommates and so forth. Your point that telemarketers are not that big of a deal, while I am sure reasonable sounding and well thought out, is ultimately one that I think is wrong
