New WoW General Discussion Thread 6/8/10

The achievement addon is Overachiever. I just started using it last week so I’m still figuring it out, but what it does is add more options to your Achievements screen. There’s a tab on it where it tells you achievements in the zone you’re currently in. It also works with your tooltips, so if you hover over a fish pool, it will tell you if still need to fish in it for the ‘fish in all these pools’ achievement.

I’m thinking Blizzard has one more expansion pack coming down the pipes, and then they’re going to debut WoW II going back to basics - the tensions between Alliance and Horde. Blizzard is running out of truly epic enemies to use - Deathwing has been kinda meh compared to Illidan and the Lich King. They’re either going to have a pull a major Old God out their asses or use Azshara and Sargeras and I don’t think they want to play that trump card yet.

At least, I hope it’s only one more expansion pack. If they do ever roll out WoW II they need to have something big. You can’t start it out with Azshara and Sargeras - Vanilla was the start of something, building up to more. Starting WoW II with faction tension would be appropriate.

Overachiever, got it and I’ll give it a shot, thanks, K.

Tonight I got all 3 coin achievements and got the Titanium Seal of Dalaran.

However, I finally had to leave the fountain and go down into the sewers to get that piece of corroded jewelry after standing and fishing for 45 minutes!!!

Quasi

I’ve been predicting that this would be the last really major plot expansion before “WoW II” since the precursor quests to Cataclysm started ridiculously ramping up Horde-Alliance tensions, but I said they had one more expansion in them the first time I saw the Lootship Duel in ICC and noted it was a strong, unavoidable reversal of a trend in the storyline that had Horde and Alliance working almost as a unit except for a few incorrigible idiots.

Speaking of which, what the heck are Tyrion Fordring and the Ashen Verdict actually doing in this expansion?

According to the internets, they are hanging around in the Plaguelands trying to take back Hearthglen from the Scarlet Crusade.

Trying? I was just there… They’ve already done it…

Of course, the amusing bit- I was playing my forsaken shadpriest, and here’s Tirion giving me missions while waving his sword around in ‘human-male-talking-emphatically’ animation.

“Uhm, dude… Could you… Not swing that around me… In fact, could I just talk to you from another room? Awwwwkward!”

Oh, pishposh and nonsense. Some of Tirion’s best friends are undead. He treats them just like real people.

Oh. I mean. Um. It’s not as if they had any choice, right? It’s not their fault they’re different. They didn’t ask to be reborn Scourged. And they rose above a lot of their mindless fellows. They’re not living on Welfare brains-n-bowels. They’ve pulled themselves out of their lot in unlife and made something of themselves. They don’t talk all that oddly when they’re not around their kin back in the 'hood. They almost seem like they belong in those gated communities or at the wheel of a new-model Mechanohog.

Yeah. It’s awkward. My undead spriest has had similar thoughts conversing with the various and sundry Argent whomevers over the years. It’s not just the unfortunate anime-sized sword and ridiculous clipping in the emote animations; I really do wonder how, in a world where all undeads were once the mindless slaves of a ruinous power of destruction, any free-minded Forsaken can ever believe they’re trusted and treated as equals, rather than as potential monsters waiting for the right trigger.

I’m not pretending to understand how the other half really lives in real life, but just the taste of it in a fantasy game is disturbing.

Speaking for my in-character self, a lot of the image problem the Forsaken have is five-fold:

  1. Sylvanas comes off as a complete amoral psychopath to everyone outside the faction.
  2. It’s clear (after the example of Putress and Varimathras) that the Forsaken have very little ability to control rogue members of their faction, which is especially bad given…
  3. …you’re actively working on this New Plague thing. Still. And “testing” it on long-established Alliance settlements for no clear reason.
  4. The only way for your faction to “reproduce” is by utilizing the bodies of the living, and there aren’t nearly enough volunteers for the Forsaken to maintain numbers without desecrating burial grounds or unleashing new plagues.
  5. Have I mentioned that Sylvanas is a complete amoral psychopath?

Seriously, the real-world analogy breaks down about the time you realize that every undead is technically under the orders of someone who’s essentially a genocidal fanatic with a convert [del]or[/del]and die mindset.

Even the Death Knights are far more trustworthy thus far.

Of note: I’m given to understand the lore for how Gilneas and Southshore happened is presented as wildly different on the Horde side questlines. From over here with the blue flags, both instances are described (Southshore) or shown (Gilneas) as unprovoked wars of aggression on the Horde’s part.

Red-side, it’s along the lines of, “Those jerkweeds from Gilneas are claiming that Silverpine is theirs because of Worgen occupation, and that no one owns the land. HELLO! We own it! Just because we’re dead doesn’t mean we’ve given up family title to most of it!”

Throw in along with that the Queen’s aforementioned psychopathy (Her line when the warchief asks her, “How are you any different from the Lich King?” is both telling and chilling) and some weird subplot about some Gilnean military geniuses who got screwed when the worgen thing started, and are now more than happy to be reanimated for vengeance purposes, and you pretty much have red-side (except for a really unexpected bit towards the end, but that’s more a plot-twist than politics).

One thing I did find interesting is how the same characters are portrayed differently on each side. I did the Forsaken quests in Silverpine before I actually got Cataclysm, and Crowley is portrayed pretty much as a completely untrustworthy villain. In the actual Gilneas starting area, he’s an unalloyed hero, with a questionable past, yes, but his actions from the time of his release are pure heroic.

So hey, can you have an inactive WoW account and open up a crappy free-to-play WoW account, does anything happen to all the characters you can’t reach? (and what happens to your pathetic level 20 toons?)

Yes, even if you have a “real” account, active or inactive, you can open a free limited account. Your real account toons are untouched, since it’s a separate account. At level 20, you just stop accumulating XP, I think. You can probably keep playing, but you can’t progress any farther.

Although lore-wise, the Forsaken are flat wrong. Silverpine was under the control of Gilneas, even though it wasn’t formally a part of Gilneas. In fact, it’s implied to be a major reason the Gilnean wall was built where it was - Godfrey may have pushed to land it there in order to stiff Crowley out of part of his lands.

It’s been too long since I ran the worgen starter zone, but didn’t the wall go up partly because of the worgen curse already overrunning south Silverpine? Crowley’s lands may have been effectively lost already without infeasible amounts of fighting.

In pre-Cata Silverpine, everything north of Pyrewood Village and north/west of Ambermill was pretty much wild Worgen (who showed a hell of a lot fewer signs of civilization than, say, the Murlocs, Gnolls, and Kobolds) and Scourge, apart from the outpost of civilization in the Sepulchre.

Yeah. That was a hella fun place to quest back when I was a young Forsaken.

"Derp de herp, I’ma gonna go down this road behind Pyrewood and mess with those refugees camping by the gate. Oh, crap, that’s a lot of worgs. And worgen. That’s ok, the Shadow and the Holy Light are with me!

Ow, that hurt. I’m glad I survived, and I can heal myself. Being a priest can be fortunate, even it that means I’m wearing Kleenex armor.

What’s that largish black worgen approaching? With a gold dragon ring? That’s an elite! A Son of Arugal! And he’s level 25, and I’m not! CRAP!"

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Are there any particular places you hate to for dailies?

With me it’s Uldum. I go to there to kill the plucking thieves and that’s it. There are no other dailies available to me there.

You?

Q

Oh man, my very first toon was (and still is) an undead priest, and that Son of Arugal got me so many times. When I was high enough level to do it I used to go back to Silverpine whenever I was in the area just to kick his ass. He’s gone now though, isn’t he? :frowning:

That one is such a pain because you have to waste a hearth to get back. But I’m mostly sick of the Firelands dailies, and I’ve only done them on one toon. I also wish they had max-level fishing/cooking dailies like they had in Shatt and Dalaran in the last two expansions. The new ones never drop anything good.

Well, I started my fishing achievements last night (Scavenger) and went to Bloodsail Wreckage and Schooner Wreckage pools, but the Schooner one didn’t “take” for some reason, even though I pulled up a mithril box.

Anyone know why?

Thanks

Q

I’m getting burned out on the Firelands dailies, too. Did em until I unlocked everything and got the mount on my mage, think I’ve unlocked all but two vendors on my druid and my tankadin. I’m gonna keep pushing to finish with the Pally, because he needs a cool mount.

I prefer the TB dailies–find them much easier and less laggy, but there’s not much any of my toons want there anymore. Maybe the mounts. It is a better area for mining and skinning though.

I don’t know, Quasi. I’ve had good luck with the “Overachiever” addon.

Are you tracking that achievement? I’m wondering if WoW gave you credit for fishing in the pool, but your addon didn’t…?