Strawman
But yes excuse me for putting your precious fragile ego at a lower priority level than fighting for my fellow American’s rights.
We will never be racism-free, but our government can be. Fuck you for not caring about your fellow american or our ideals of freedom.
Selling out other Americans to protect your feelings is the act of a coward.
But it isn’t genocidal so it isn’t racist
I want to be 100% clear, digging through old tweets trying to find isolated out of context examples to make claims around “reverse racism” is a direct attempt to diminish the pain and suffering that is happening to minorities today. It is a way to self justify ignoring those very real problems so that you can continue to benefit from them.
This is the behavior of a coward.
You can keep repeating strawmen arguments, but they will still be strawmen.
Are you really that dense?
It was the bigots who were claiming it was an example of a call genocide, which it is not.
Yeah, but she tweeted #cancelwhitepeople
How in the hell am I supposed to get over that?
Some say it’s apocryphal, but the story goes that a supporter of Adlai Stevenson’s presidential campaign once called out, “Governor Stevenson, all thinking people are for you!” and Stevenson answered, “That’s not enough. I need a majority.” Whether or not he said it, a similar logic applies here. Sure, you can dismiss a young white guy who gets seduced by the sweet nothings whispered in his ear by the alt-right: he must not have been a good person anyway. And you’re right! But guess what: we need the votes of the good people, plus some more from people who ain’t so great. Purifying our ranks rather than seeking semi-unsavory allies or converts is the path to permanent minority status in politics.
I’d also point out, again, that faulting someone for characteristics they are born with and cannot change (like being straight, white, and male) is certainly not “the right thing”.
I do agree with you, though, about your criticism of the anal sex metaphor.
No, you’re a racist. Pfffft
Well at least you admit that wypipo need to be comforted, coddled, reassured, and esteemed. Not sure why you have a problem with being called ‘fragile’ which is basically the same thing.
“Yes, but I came here for an argument!!”
Not refuse, I just don’t believe what you are stating. I’m glad you know anecdotally people who refuse all the time, I’m for one of having a standardisation of which all can easily follow. Not that hard, is it? I’ll refer to this
How about you take a leaf out of your own book and apply that to everyone
The general discourse of which white people are set to a higher standard than POC for racist useage of language, or haven’t you been following events recently? As for questioning who made me in charge, where the fuck did I imply anything like that?
Yes, because the logic dictates, due to recent situations with Rosanne Barr, Papa Johnathan Friedland that if both offenders of the tweets had been white, they’d of canned them the first chance they got, they excused Jeongs tweets for context purposes, where they didn’t for Norton. That’s the point of the entire argument I’m making.
Because you’re not reading it right, yes, firing Jeong would be an overreaction, however by that logic, firing Norton was an overreaction, but they did it anyway, and I’m highlighting the hypocrisy of the NYT keeping Jeong because she is a POC, where they had no qualms with Norton, because she is white.
No it isn’t.
Nope. But I’m sure as shit not going to be quiet over it.
Why do you think there’s so much anger over this? Put the alt right trolling aside, and don’t try and pigeonhole it as white fragility, and think, just for a moment, why people are raging about the NYT.
No, my perception is that they are hypocrites because irrespective of the apology, if the perpetrator of the tweets this time round was white, they’d of been out the door.
No I’m not, I’m highlighting that as the discourse of the current period, and contrasting it with NYT keeping a person of colour for saying something worse than what he did, even though it was said within context and he apologised for it after he got fired.
Aha, he admits it! Everyone shun the bad racist!
You don’t think he should have been fired?
You need to watch this show called “Monty Python’s Flying Circus” one of these days.
I do admit to being implicitly biased, but I work hard to avoid making those Explicit and also clearly communicate to people who are subject to discrimination that I will graciously take feedback when I unintentionally do.
You think that this is an insult but that is because you are a ‘cuk’ /sarcasm too afraid to have these conversations.
Your fearfulness about the subject is what makes you think that some how removal of all bias is the realistic end goal. It is not, it is removing the impact of those beliefs.
You are just exposing your own insecurities and cowardliness by using this method. I am not afraid to admit that sometimes my mind will make invalid assumptions based on traits that I don’t associate with. There is no shame in this reality, the shame is in perpetuating the effects on others due to this personal flaw.
The belief in some post racial utopia is a myth of those who still cling onto bigotry as a baby blanket. There is no reason to suckle on a bit of cloth for comfort if you just learn how to listen and communicate without resorting to childish tit for tat tactics. Coddling to the fear of honest discussion is the only reason this is viewed as a weapon and it is only a weapon against those who are too cowardly to have an honest discussion.
Irrespective of my ‘assumption’ Of which I didn’t make anyway, it is still a racist joke. How is this hard for you?
Now now, you can’t be making one rule for one, and one rule for another, that’s predujice, and that’s synonymous with racism, of which I pointed out to you before in this very thread
Let’s go through it shall we;
So racist jokes are ok if they’re hyperbole and coming from a POC. Got it. I never thought it was genocidal geez.
I never said they were OK.
But your post once again is based on the ignorant assumption that some post racial world is a realistic goal. Terrified white men are really the only ones that believe this to be true.
If you weren’t so terrified about the subject of race and were willing to learn vs cower in fear this would be pretty clear to you.
Out of fear you are using this as a way to diminish the impacts of racism while claiming that we need to have thought police to solve most of the problems. This is a myth.
Argument from ignorance is a poor argument. That you don’t understand something does not mean that it is inexplicable.
Okay. When someone apologizes for making negative commentary about the class that benefits at their expense, then they should be forgiven.
If someone refuses to apologize for making comments about a class of people who are marginalized by society, then I will wait for their appology before considering forgiving them.
Consistent enough, or by everyone, you also mean under all circumstances, even if they are different?
I didn’t realize that companies had to base their HR policies on “standard discourse”. I didn’t say you were in charge, I asked who was in charge, and I asked what made you an authority*.
If they had been white, and they had done the same things, sure. But they didn’t, they did different things in different contexts, so logic would dictate that they not be treated the same.
And that is because you are only judging them by the color of their skin, and not the content of their tweets.
Yes it is.
Yeah, we noticed that you are sure as shit not going to be quiet over an uppity minority getting a position where you may have to read her words from time to time.
If we put alt right trolling aside, then the anger over this pretty much goes away.
So, your perception is because you have looked into an alternate universe where things were different, and things happened differently?
It is you opinion that that would be what happens, but that is it, your opinion.
Who is this “he” who said things that are not as bad as what Jeong said that was fired? Is this a new firing that I hadn’t heard of?
Right, the general discourse being what people are talking about on social media. And somehow or other, what people are talking about on social media should be binding policies for companies HR departments.
Pish and twoddle, i already married a black lass and diluted the white race by mixing genes, what have you done?
I have never believed that.
I am willing to learn, that’s why I read the PDF you linked on white fragility to call out your bullshit.
Oh no, racism is definitely real, again, as I’ve said previously, a level playing field is one we all work towards, and I don’t want to patronise POC as infants incapable of defending themselves or owing their own actions anymore than white people can. We disagree vehemently on the approach, not the end goal.
I do want to point out, a big reason that people want to limit the term ‘racism’ to ‘prejudice + power’ is to de-weaponize it for the simplest case.
But fragile white men go ballistic with the idea of restricting it to cases of power because they want to have excuses like in this thread to justify their inaction against the systemic racism we have.
The funny thing is that it would cause a lot less racial tension if we would allow this to happen. But hey…I guess maintaining that illusion of being 100% self made is more important.
But the ‘shame’ is all self inflicted here.
Due to racial fetishism or? Because fighting to maintain racial tension isn’t helping much.
But if you want to get into a cock measuring fight.
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[li]Publicly confronted, debated and challenged Richard Girnt Butler dozens of times along with other high profile racists.[/li][li]Actively engaged and counter-recruited white nationalists at every opportunity for the past 25 years.[/li][li]Tried my best to stop contributing to systemic racism.[/li][li]Volunteer time to political campaigns to combat racism.[/li][li]Over decade of continuing monthly donations to the SPLU and ACLU. [/li][li]Actively debated fragile white men in person and online[/li][/ul]
I will admit having one close friend shot at by the Aryan Nations and having coworkers targeted by a bombing by the Phineas Priesthood is what lead to most of this effort.
So really not a lot and I could have done more, but not resorting to the ‘I know a black person so i’m not racist’ really doesn’t do a whole lot to help interrupt the cycle and may indicate you may want to improve communication with your loved one.