Because of dat bootay!
So you admit racial fetishism is why…classy.
I’m not ignorant though, that’s your own assumption. Just because I disagree with your approach, doesn’t mean I do not understand.
Sure, white people have done it, look at Papa John and Johnathan Friedland, they’re the same right, both racist? Regardless of context?
I never implied HR did such a thing, but there has been a trend as of late of white employees being fired for saying racist comments regardless of the context involved. Pretty weird how that stopped when Jeong made racist jokes, hence the anger.
So by implication of your question, I have to be an authority and cite who is in charge to voice my opinion on the matter before I’m able to pass judgement, you do realise I can reverse that question right?
No, the logic is that irrespective of the context, sure they did different things, but they were all white who had made racist comments, and were fired irrespective of the circumstances, where as Jeong kept her job despite being racist. Hence the ire received from members of the public.
Great, tell NYT that in respects to Quinn Norton, because they did exactly what you described.
Yup this isn’t shutting down debate is it. Are you for fucking real?
No, it isn’t.
Maybe, doesn’t make it any less wrong.
So you’re implying if Jeong was white she’d of kept her job? Even if she apologised?
Johnathan Friedland, he was fired for saying the N-word at netflix in a discussion about hurtful language, he used it as an example, was pulled up by HR and used it again in the meeting with them and was booted out.
Never implied that, but organisations will take stock of what other reputable media organisations are doing and will follow their example, or are you implying that businesses and organisations cannot be influenced by each other.
Are you suggesting non-black people may not possess substantial booty?
That’s racist
It’s actually because her dad threatened to kill me with his finest chuckin’ spear if we didn’t tie the knot.
Hey you are the one who responded to a direct question on your motivations.
But irrespective of race choosing a partner purely on objectification is still not classy
One thing you are good at is digging holes!!!
Not really, i get my wife to do that when we’re waiting for the cotton to…ripen?
Wait a minute, you claim to be anti racist and whatnot, yet Delicious literally tells you he married a black woman and the first thing that comes to your mind is that he did it for racial fetishism?
Do you not realise you’re being racist by implying the only reason why he would marry a black woman is for racial stereotypes, not because, erm, he loves her?
Hey I have been reading this thread with some interest and am wondering if you can expand on this post. Maybe expand is the wrong word- can you dumb it down for me? I am enjoying the debate and back and forth but it seems like you are making an important point here that is going way over my head.
I asked him a question, which is directly related to the OP. Which you would understand if you researched the subject instead of posting as fast as you could with ‘look racism’.
Racial fetishism is a problem for Asian women in America and in part seems to be related to the tweets that are the subject of this thread.
When he follows that up with two hateful stereotypes (spears and cotton), it’s certainly reasonable to consider that he has some bigoted inclinations. It’s entirely possible to have racist beliefs and say/do racist things while still having affection and even love for a person or persons of another race.
I said nothing hateful about his spear, it’s a damn fine weapon.
I’m pretty sure that he’s not actually married to a black woman. I doubt he’s much older than 15, and if he is he should reconsider his life.
Oh I’m fully aware of racial fetishism, but my ire was directed at you using it as the first go to assumption as to why he married a black woman. If you’re so anti racist and what not, you can’t make gross assumptions that the only reason why Delicious would marry a black woman is based on some racist stereotype.
I’d believe that, but he said it before Delicious had made any mention of spears and cotton. Never denied the latter either, my issue is that Rat Avatar immediately jumped to that conclusion as if it was something to tick on a racial sensitivity checklist, rather than considering he married her because he loved her.
It is an important point.
You will notice that people keep trying to circle back to definition of racism that is comprised of merely conscious hate.
Racism is a lot more complicated than that.
Typically a minority will be talking about racism as something that is systemic and/or institutional. Under those definitions racism isn’t just believing you are better than another for some reason, which is better defined as prejudice.
If you consider the systemic form of racism it is prejudice plus power. A minority typically doesn’t have the ability to enact laws, restrictions or social norms in our society at large. They may be prejudiced but typically lack the power to act on it at the institutional or systemic level.
But as white Americans typically do not experience this institutional and systemic bias they tend to only consider the hate part of it. The problem arises due to this miscommunication and to be honest us white peoples tendency to overreact when the subject is brought up. This typically ends in the conversation stopping and the systemic bias continuing.
Because of this pure lack of understanding a white person will feel personally attacked if they hear a phrase like “black people can’t be racist”. Because the only aspect of this that they have personally experienced is typically the hate part of the more general definition.
This super sensitivity to just conversations is what is called ‘white fragility’ and it is a very real problem. The shame and the guilt that drives this response in people who simply haven’t had enough exposure to even come close to having an understanding feel attacked when they are not.
If a black woman could simply say (white people always want to touch my hair and it bothers me to have my personal space invaded) without this over reaction many of these problems would be easier to solve.
Like I said, I am a white man and have these same challenges in noticing these problems. But after establishing trust the largest frustration that has been communicated to me is that even talking about the subject is impossible. One of the reason that it is challenging is due to this difference in the definition of racism.
This thread is completely based on white people wanting to define racism under these terms. Having a different definition isn’t necessarily the problem, the problem is that it shuts down the chance for minorities to teach us about what is happening to them.
He was actively arguing against a situation where a woman was being subject to racial fetishism and reacted poorly to it. He could have clarified or corrected that question and I would have followed up with why he felt it was acceptable in this case. We all have biases and we always will, and expecting anything else is just an artifact of the ‘fragility’
With his responses it is quite obvious that my hunch was right. Had he married his wife because of less objectifying means he would have communicated that.
You probably just think that because you’re a racist
You’re less funny than Drunky Smurf, but at least you’re trying (embarrassingly hard).
If any answer results in being called a racist, might as well go all out.