Drum is generally pretty great.
Blalron, I really appreciate your sharing that wonderful “Liberal Lefties” piece. I have shared it far and wide, and it’s basically my new manifesto or mission statement.
That is sadface, given the article’s thin substantiation. Lots of allegations, with maybe a dozen links to around buzzwords. No quotes. No names of those the author disagrees with.
Also, check out the author profile: “She is currently writing a book about postmodernism and critical theory and their impact on epistemology and ethics in the academy and more widely.” Yes, postmodernism and critical theory are indeed problematic. They are also fringe outside of academia and suffered street-cred collapse when Alan Sokal pranked them in 1996. But they don’t exactly dominate Black Lives Matter to take one example. Don’t get me wrong: a good treatment of postmodernism might be historically interesting. But to make it a manifesto in 2018 is embarrassing.
I am reminded by the anti-feminists like Dave Sim and a few on this message board who were stuck in like 1988. That battle is in the past gang, and the good guys won.
Naah - but I bet you wish you were. I just know you have a seersucker suit in your closet, for those times you feel the urge…
Sure, bro. I *totally *believe you that Obama is in there 
M4M, disagree that the battle is even close to over.
Right, I aggressively stand for all kinds of controversial, even borderline taboo, positions, but when it comes to Obama, I have spent years on this board and on Twitter just pretending to support him. To what end? Are you hearing yourself? Dude, take off the tinfoil hat.
Here are cites going years back that show you are flat wrong yet again, in a multiplicity of ways—unless, again, you believe it has been some kind long con or extremely patient deep cover operation, for no plausible motive or purpose I can see:
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14856207&postcount=121
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16618654&postcount=55
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb//showpost.php?p=15771838&postcount=41
https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16618782&postcount=61
Helen Pluckrose’s battle is mostly over. SJWs still remain active, but to my knowledge most of them don’t reject objective truth, evidence, reason and language.
I could be wrong on this in ways major or middling. Really. But Pluckrose offers no substantiation so her article isn’t a very good starting point. I suspect her work is a rearguard action against a dying academic movement, once fashionable. Which is ok. But only tangentially related to the country’s racial problems.
Not one of those is a cite for the statement “Obama is one of my favourite presidents”, but nice try at deflection.
Not that I give a shit what your racist ass says. It’s so much butt-noise coming out of your puckered butt-mouth, as far as I’m concerned. You can say anything about what you believe, you can vote for a straight Democrat ticket, but when it comes down to it, you’re an admitted racist fuck, and that’s all that counts.
Uh huh. My vigorous defense of him during his presidency really proves you right to scoff, eh? :dubious:
The other two cites were there to rebut your claim that I wish I were an Alabama Dixiecrat (LOL):
Oh, yeah, “vigorous defence” , uh-huh, tell me more…
Calling Southerners racists doesn’t mean you still don’t want to be one - I mean, you happily admit you are a racist. I would think barely-sentient pond scum like you would find ignorant backwaters quite homey.
I do not and have never admitted to being anything like a 1960s Southern racist. How many times have I stated, for instance, my support for slavery reparations? Or that I spearheaded a march to protest police brutality against a black man in the Missouri town I used to live in?
You think I give a fuck what subgenre of White supremacist you are? These picayune differences might matter back at Klan Central, motherfucker, but it doesn’t matter a whit to me.
You’re kidding right?
So do you have the tweet chain that includes #cancelwhitepeople that puts it into context? I thought not.
Or are you saying that stuff that happened throughout her lie in other contexts justifies her saying this. If so then what level of hateful abuse directed at the owners of chik fil a would justify chik fil a saying #cancelgaypeople
We must go though mental gymnastics to exonerate liberal assholes but we can leap to conclusion to condemn conservative assholes.
No, my point is that you are very selective about when racism is acceptable.
I bring up Hillary because you think it matters who exposes the truth and that facts somehow become less factual because of who uncovers those facts. This notion of truth of facts being dependent on who uncovers those facts is very similar to the liberal reaction to the revelation that Hillary cheated during the debates and the DNC was in the bag for Hillary. These are not myths created by the right. These are facts uncovered by wikileaks (once a darling of the left when they were crucifying Bush Jr. with facts but now an evil organization because they uncovered the corruption of the DNC and the low moral character of the Clinton campaign.
At some point you have to make an argument other than “conservatives are evil” and you are playing right into their hands Between the two of us, you are much more of an ideologue and partisan than I am. You are the tool.
Really is that the only thing that was revealed? Nothing about the death penalty?
I don’t think I’ve ever said a kind word about Trump after his first executive order banning Muslims. So what in the world are you talking about?
If Trump cheated during the debates, do you seriously think that you would be cool with it? I don’t think so. I wouldn’t be cool with it.
:rolleyes:
You’re just wasting everyone’s time.
Would #cancelwhitepeople count as anti-white bigotry or is it just notable because it help us find the people afflicted with white fragility?
I have seen plenty of anti-white bigotry.
White man is the devil
Kill Whitey
All of this would be scary if white people weren’t 75% of Americans. Still doesn’t justify racism tho.
Damuri: like I said upthread more than once, the burden of proof is on you. Because if I show an example of Jeong not being racist, it doesn’t prove squat. But if you show an example of Jeong being racist, well that’s a string of evidence.
Show us a link to a bad tweet (it’s easy) and we can inspect the context. From my POV it will be a heavy lift for Jeong’s defenders, because at least one of them referenced a reddit thread, which requires some digging. But I’m not going to do that tedious exercise until you make a falsifiable assertion about a specific statement made by Jeong. With a link to it, so that I can dig into the context.
Your claim, your burden of proof.
On the first page, IIRC, we proved the title of the OP wrong: Jeong issued an apology immediately for remarks of hers removed from context. That sentence is completely accurate: attacks on Jeong have never done a treatment like they do at eg Media Matters for America, who routinely provide a presentation of short quotes, followed by the full text.
In other news, Jeong’s 2015 book, The Internet of Garbage, is now available for free on PDF. Excerpts are also being published at Verge. From Verge’s intro: [INDENT] After a year on The Verge’s staff as a senior writer, Sarah recently joined The New York Times Editorial Board to write about technology issues. The move kicked off a wave of outrage and controversy as a group of trolls selectively took Sarah’s old tweets out of context to inaccurately claim that she is a racist. This prompted a further wave of unrelenting racist harassment directed at Sarah, a wave of coverage examining her tweets, and a final wave of coverage about the state of outrage generally. This is all deeply ironic because Sarah laid out exactly how these bad-faith tactics work in The Internet of Garbage. [/INDENT] The Internet of Garbage by Sarah Jeong - The Verge
IRL? I don’t even see that stuff much online.
Via the media I can recall exactly one anti-white hate crime. So no, not scary.
Thinking it over, I have heard RL reports (by Hispanics) of anti-gringo sentiments expressed by Mexicans or hispanics among themselves. So that’s something, which I weigh heavier than the examples I cited upthread. I’ve just never encountered it directly. I can’t see how that affects my SWM life in any tangible fashion though.
I’ve always thought (and said) that you had poor reading comprehension, but even I’m surprised to find that you’re currently failing a reading comprehension test about your own posts. Seriously, you think that post contains evidence that “Obama is one of your favorite presidents”?
EE, your chutzpah is showing again. Remember how patiently I repeatedly explained that one deal to you over and over, and even when other people tried to gently tell you I was right, you went off on them too? You brashly insisted I was wrong, tried to bet me while offering to self-banish if you were wrong. You chortled about how idiotic I was for being so egregiously and obviously incorrect.
Then after I don’t know how many explanations, it finally got through. You seemed chastened, posting:
I actually thought at the time you might have learned something. My bad. Maybe I should have noticed that even then, you were already back to taking liberties with the truth. For in fact, you were claiming too much magnanimous credit in supposedly unilaterally honoring your side of the bet, when you actually didn’t. Just 22 minutes earlier you had posted:
But you didn’t leave the board, did you? :dubious: And now you are back to your old trash-talking ways, lesson unlearned. Sad!
P.S. Here’s another cite, from 2012:
But of course it’s meaningless since I didn’t use the precise word “favorite”, right? :rolleyes:
Yep, I made a mistake. And admitted it.
You’ve done the former (dozens of times), but never the latter.
For example: the post you responded to. That was me pointing out an error that you made. This could be an opportunity for you to demonstrate that you have as much intellectual integrity and moral courage as me.
I’ll just hold my breath, OK?
Another cite? Why, was your initial cite not sufficient?
I think some ‘white men’ wounder if other’s consider their feelings when people make “anti white male comments”.
When I was a kid, I had teacher who openly talked down to boys. She said they were stupid often. She referred to me as an example too.
As an adult, I have no problem with the comments, but I do worry about any child growing up as if there’s something inherently wrong with them… No matter the gender or color.
Good point, MyFoots.
LOL! This is exactly why I said you are too amusing to let you leave the board. You are an OTT ridic person.
My take is that anti-white racism is more difficult to pull off, because it’s not backed by anything substantive. I don’t go so far to say it doesn’t exist - it does here and there. MyFootsZZZ gave a good hypothetical example of this. There are little pockets of power here and there that could potentially be exploited against, say, SWMs. I just don’t see a lot of it in the RW which overlaps with racial animosity or racialized indifference. I do see a tremendous amount of SWM clueless complaining about chicken shit. At least among the shouting class on twitter.
It’s a low bar that you have [checks…] failed to meet.