I think the two of you should team up. Though you’ll need to find a one-eyed man to lead you.
Hey, you been thinking about that bet any? It’s actually about the same issue **Damuri **thinks he caught me out on, so it’s an easy win for you, right? In fact, from your perspective it’s not even a bet; just pick what you’d like to win (I can’t grant you self-respect or a high IQ or anything–gotta be something on the menu).
LHOD, are you reading? Just wondering if you would again claim I’m wrong to call this “moving goalposts” (in this case, EE being the mover).
The real world negative impact is that it invokes a defensive reaction from white people, which drives them towards Republicans and away from Democrats. Republicans holding political power hurts minorities. Millions of people losing their health insurance hurts people of color. If the Republicans succeed at repealing the ACA, many tens of thousands will die premature deaths. There are negative consequences here beyond just hurting white people’s feelings.
Ding ding ding!
But they will dismiss this, perhaps with snark about “white fragility”. And yes: if people are willing to vote Republican, as bad as the GOP is, over being “butthurt” because of smack talk against whites, they aren’t really good people deep down. But we need a good number of not-so-great people, including some potentially petty and impulsive people, to vote Democratic if we want to win.
Hmm… Maybe there’s some other solution? Like, we could disenfranchise white people…
Really.
“I’m outraged. A woman on twitter said #cancelwhitepeople! I’m going to switch parties to Republican now even though before that nasty woman said #cancelwhitepeople, I stood for everything that Democrats stood for. Now, that insult makes me completely change my feelings toward the Democratic platform!”
Yeah, a person who does that is a fragile, insecure moron.
If it were literally just one woman? No, it doesn’t make an impact. But the aggregate effect of hundreds of thousands of SJWs on social media shit talking whites? I bet you it does.
What about young people who haven’t formed a political identity yet? I think you underestimate the number of people that sit down and read party platforms. Most people aren’t policy wonks. People are more tribal than you might want to admit. If young white people are getting a general “vibe” from social media that the Democratic party doesn’t welcome them because of their skin color, that’s going to make an impact.
Blacks vote 90% Democratic. Is it because 90% of them are liberals? Actually, 27% of blacks describe themselves as conservatives. Why do so many black conservatives refrain from voting Republican? Because the Republicans have worked hard to alienate black voters with the Southern Strategy.
I contend that it’s possible to alienate white people to such an extent that they won’t Democratic, even if they do have liberal leanings. Just like black conservatives don’t vote Republican in proportion to their numbers, you’ll see white liberals lose enthusiasm. Maybe they won’t vote Republican, but they’ll lose enthusiasm. They won’t want to turn out to vote, or volunteer their time, or donate money to a party that doesn’t welcome them.
And we need some fragile, insecure morons to vote for us! Do you know how many people in the Rust Belt voted for Obama twice and then Romney? Plus, as Blalron said (amen to that whole post) and as I’ve been saying over and over, it’s the young white guys who are just forming their political identity that we need to worry about most. Look at the Jordan Peterson phenomenon, and I think that’s the tip of the iceberg.
Also, sadly but truly: key swing voters in battleground states are never going to be people who “stand for everything Democrats stood for”. If we’re lucky, we can persuade them to think Democrats aren’t quite as bad as Republicans.
Hundreds of thousands you say? I’m doubtful.
But even it was, so what? If I feel that one party stands for more of what I believe than the other party, why would anyone saying anything about white people affect that?
“I guess I’ll stop worrying about homelessness, since those mean people on twitter said mean things!”
:rolleyes:
I doubt it. As manson1972 noted, any white person oversensitive enough to let a sarcastic anti-white remark “drive them” to anti-minority attitudes and policies is oversensitive enough to be triggered by something even sillier. Maybe they’ll get upset about the phrase “Black Lives Matter” or worry that a black person looked at them funny, and that will “drive them away from Democrats” instead.
There’s no point trying to target our public discourse to guide the political actions of oversensitive snowflakes, because oversensitive snowflakes are too fragile to respond to guidance anyway.
In the real real world as opposed to your foreboding hypotheticals, though, young people (including young white people) are turning not to the Republicans but to the Democratic Socialists of America, well to the left of the Democrats. They are unlikely to develop the conservative vapors merely from occasional exposure to a bit of sarcastic anti-white rhetoric like “#cancelwhitepeople”.
Saying #cancelwhite people is not good political strategy. But it wasn’t political strategy – it was a sarcastic tweet in response to racist trolling that the tweeter now regrets. It’s only anything close to a big deal because some alt-right bigots thought it would make a good target to own the libs. Unfortunately, some ostensible libs seem eager to help those alt-right bigots win rhetorical media victories.
If there are people who will join the party that is openly racist, that has as its leader a crass individual who has no problems insulting anyone of either party who does anything that he does not like, all because some random person (or persons) on social media said something uncomfortable, they were not driven away from the democrats, they were looking for an excuse to join the racists.
Why are you not ever alienated by the racist, homophobic, or misogynistic crap coming from the republican party’s leaders?
…white people have been voting almost exclusively for white people since a bunch of long-dead-white-people arrived in America, kicked the indigenous people off of their lands and enslaved people from another continent. White people have been voting for white people ever since those long-dead-white-people drafted a constitution and a set of laws that did their damnedest to protect the rights of white people.
Young white guys aren’t being driven away from “the left” because of “social justice warriors” and “identity politics”. They are simply doing what they have always done. They are merely using “identity politics” as an excuse. Because they are fucking cowards.
And if you choose to use “identity politics” as your defense for the views that you express on these boards then you are a fucking coward as well. Have some fucking dignity.
This is one of the things that actually bothers me.
Many people seem to equate official statements from government leaders with statements made by a moron on twitter. They are not equivalent, people!
President Trump said “Grab 'em by the pussy!”
"Yeah, well dogpenis69 on twitter said ‘white people are nazis!’ See? The libs are just as bad!
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
By this very naive logic, why even raise money or buy political ads? Just post your platform online and decent people will educate themselves and do the right thing on Election Day. I can actually imagine a country where this would be a reasonable scenario! Like a small Nordic country or something. But that’s just not how it works in America, folks, much as we might wish it were so.
Not sure who this is aimed at, but in fact this is who we need to try to get: people who are not especially liberal and would probably be very happy with John Kasich, but find GOP extremism troubling and may be regretting their 2016 Trump vote. We need to roll out the welcome wagon for such people, not roll our eyes at them.
Beats me. How much money did Clinton raise and spend? She would have had the same result had she spent nothing.
On a more serious note, a lot of people don’t look for stuff online. The only way positions can be communicated to these people is through traditional media. And that costs money.
Ok, but what happens when Dogpenis69 is hired as an editor at the New York Times? Can we complain then? It’s not a government job, but it’s still a position of power and influence.
Complain? Sure. Feel free. Just don’t consider it equivalent to elected government officials.
And then we can consider your complaints to see if they hold up to our personal standard of complaining. And if not, we can mock you for it.
Oh my god just fuck off
It was also white people who abolished slavery. White people who got rid of Jim Crow. Did the Abolitionists and Civil Rights Activists succeed in their noble goals by spreading a “Fuck White People” message?
Has it occurred to you that some of these white guys might have been on your side if you weren’t hurling verbal abuse at them? Or should they sit there and smile while they get insulted because of their skin color? Maybe they should, but is it realistic to expect that from them?
The only identity I wish to claim for myself when discussing politics is “American Citizen.” The motto of this country is “E Pluribus Unum.” Out of many, one. We share a common bond of citizenship. We are one people. Not a collection of competing ethnic tribes in a zero sum contest for dominance. Both the Alt-Right and the Identity Left don’t accept that. That’s my problem with identity politics (left and right).
I’d prefer to focus on problems in the present, and work towards building a prosperous vision for the future, not ruminate over an old black and white photo of a lynching while you lecture me on my white privilege.