Sure, but how do I take the “over” on Clintonian whining?
“Reporter’s view” piece on the beeb site at the mo. Take it or leave it, but I couldn’t help chuckling at the first sentence.
No, I goofed: that should have been O-C 56-43. Good catch.
In today’s Oregon news, Chelsea bought popcorn at a grocery store in Springfield.
You folks have a lot of slow news days, don’t you?
Kentucky just starting to report. Clinton over Obama 50% to 46% Only a slim lead at the moment, but it looks like the major centers are reporting before the more rural areas. I’m supposing that Louisville and Fayette would have more Obama supporters?
I totally don’t get that Hillary’s base is older, white, working class folks. That’s my demographic, and I wouldn’t vote for her with your ballot.
I just don’t get it. Did they leave something out of that description? Older, white, working class, liked Bill?
CNN now declaring Clinton the winner. 16% reporting, 51% to 46%
A 5% margin so far.
What were the pundits predicting she’d win by? 30%?
Is this indicative of anything, or are we going to see a big Clinton swing when the rural votes are counted? Does anyone have insight about where in the state her votes are going to come from?
The analysis I saw was that the eastern part of the state would report in first thanks to the time zone difference. That’s also the part of the state where Obama should do the best. So they must have a lot of exit polling in the rural eastern part and the western part of the state that says it’s going to go to Clinton.
There it goes… 56% to 40% (16% difference) with 29% of polls reporting.
Clinton will gain what… about 18 net delegates here? And Obama will gain around 10 net delegates in Oregon, giving Clinton a gain of 8 on the night. What a decisive win!
Racist.
If you’re serious, how is what she said in her post racist?
Sorry. I wasn’t calling her a racist, I was answering her question about what’s being “left out” of the description of Hillary voters in some of these states.
Phew! That didn’t seem like you (at least not without more than what I saw).
We spend a lot of time watching grass go to seed.
Enjoy CNN talking about the Oregon “polls closing” for a couple more hours. We have 100% mail-in ballots, so “polls closing” means “guy dumps the boxes inside.”
I have to give her credit. With 97% of the vote in she’s running very close to her West Virginia numbers … 35% ahead.
And like in West Virginia I am intrigued by the volume of the turn-out. It is on track for about 680K plus. In 2004 the Democratic primary pulled in only 227K voters and not many more came out to vote for Kerry in the general - only 713K.
That’s massive turn-out for a primary election that is still for all practical purposes over. Is it that Appalachians love Clinton, despise Obama, or are newly attracted to the Democratic party?
Will they really turn to McCain in the general or can Obama win these voters over?
I think a lot of them love Bill Clinton, that coupled with a little “unmentionables” and you’ve got her lopsided victories in appalachia. What I don’t understand is the practically all white northern states who turned out overwhelmingly for Obama. What makes Appalachia so different than those mid-northern white states?
Lots of factors. I think that Clinton’s tenacity appeals to the Appalachian ethic. And I think that Appalachian racism is different than racism elsewhere. These are multi-generationally poor White folk. They may not know a lot of Blacks but they have taken some small comfort in the knowledge that Blacks are even lower on the pecking than they are. Seeing a Black man, educated better than they are, seeming to look down on them (or so they have been convinced) and likely to take the highest office of the land? That’s a hard swallow.
OTOH I may be stereotyping with that portrayal … minimally however they have no basis to identify with Obama. His first generation story does not resonate with this demographic. Clinton seems more like them, and while skin color is a factor in that I think that it is not all of it. For Northern Whites Obama and his story is something we have heard in our all families and is the quintessential American story. It is our parents’ story if not our own. He epitomizes the hodgepodge stew of America and we know the flavors. The South didn’t used to but now they do. Appalachia is fairly unique in not experiencing it nowadays. Can he do something about that lack of connection with Appalachians by the general? I don’t know.
I haven’t opened all the video links in this thread so maybe this has been shared already. here’s one from Jon Stewart’s show of May 14. It gets ugly about a minute in.
It’s not particularly a north-south thing, I think. He also had trouble among white voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania after all.
I really think it’s more of a generational divide. Older, working class white voters are having a problem with Obama. Appalachia just happens to have a lot of those voters.
Wisconsin has a younger demographic. How well would Obama have done in Michigan? Who knows?