NFL coaching carousel 2018 season edition

I would think so, generally. Coaches are all former players, even though many stopped in college before reaching the NFL. If the higher levels are demographically different from the lower ones, in *any *organization, that reflects either differing opportunities (perhaps subconsciously) or differing inherent capabilities. I hope you don’t want to go with the latter.

Anthony Lynn is also a bit surprised, but no one pays attention to the Chargers anyway.

Not liking that the Fins fired Adam Gase. He was absolutely NOT the problem down there and has actually gotten more success out of that roster than most would. Wouldn’t hate it at all if he moved north and took over the Packers.

Okay, I didn’t even know the Chargers’ coach’s name, much less his race. So you’re right. I’ll maybe start to take a little notice again when they go back home in a few years.

As long as the Pats’ division opponents all stay in disarray, as has been the case for a long time, that’s a *good *thing. :slight_smile:

A post I saw on reddit made a relatively convincing argument that the racial disparity is somewhat explained by the prevalence of offense in today’s game, so head coaches from an offensive background do better than head coaches with a defensive background. The standard path to an offensive background is QB->QB coach->Offensive Coordinator->Head Coach, and for a defensive background tends to be CB->CB coach->Defensive Coordinator->Head Coach. Likely due to racial prejudice, QBs tend to be White, and CBs tend to be Black.

That’s an interesting point. Of last season’s NFL offensive coordinators, only two were African-American: Eric Bienemy (who had been a running back in the NFL, and who is now in demand as a head coach prospect) and Byron Leftwich (who had played quarterback).

Of the four African-American head coaches who were just fired, all of them had risen through the coaching ranks on the defensive side of the ball (though Joseph had played quarterback in college, before switching to cornerback when he played in the NFL).

Here’s my take on Tomlin.

I like Mikey. I think he’s a stand-up guy. I think the players like him (mostly) and respect him (a little less but still, mostly). But there are too many individual personalities on that roster, and Tomlin needs to shut it the fuck down. I’m not sure I can entirely blame it on Tomlin - it’s probably a front office problem as well. But Leveon Bell’s situation was a distraction, and I think the discontent may have helped inspired Brown to act out. There’s no way a Chuck Noll or Bill Cowher would have put up with that shit.

I know Jon Gruden (and his brother Jay) sow a lot of controversy for making statements with some of their roster moves, but I think they’ve accepted that they can be fired at any time and don’t really care. Their philosophy is that as long as they’re coach, they’re in charge. They will impose their will on their players. I’m not necessarily saying the Grudens are great coaches, but if you look at all of the greatest coaches who’ve ever coached, they’ve all pretty much made it clear who’s in charge, who’s establishing boundaries, and what happens if those boundaries are crossed.

According to the Washngton Post (and other random blogs), 70% of players in the NFL are black.

If the assumption is that coaches are all former players who maybe never progressed beyond college as a player, the demographics of college players would be the comparison to use. But even in the NCAA the ratio is still 57% of players are black according to this article in Time from 2015, so we’re right back to the “something like 60 percent” you actually said.

I find the reddit theory interesting, though of course it doesn’t dispute that the root of the disparity is racism.

Adding to this (ran out of time earlier):

There were 10 African-American defensive coordinators in the NFL last year (eleven if you count Marvin Lewis, who apparently served as his own defensive coordinator in Cincinnati).

It’s too easy to blame racism instead of the Old Boys Club, though. Coaches are hired by owners, who do *not *come up from the same ranks and don’t know the same people. The Rooney Rule was intended to break down some of that barrier by simply letting the decision-makers get to know a broader base of potential candidates for a coaching job. That’s how Marvin Lewis got the Bengals job in the first place, for example - he went on a number of token interviews to comply with the rule, prepared for them anyway and impressed people, and eventually got well-recommended around the league as a serious prospect who make a team a winner. Sure, an owner might feel more comfortable socially with someone of his own background, but an owner likes winning a lot more.

According to ESPN’s Matt Schefter, the Packers have offered their head coaching position to Titans offensive coordinator Matt LaFleur.

He’s spent two years as on offensive coordinator (Titans 2018, Rams 2017).

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/01/07/matt-lefleur-packers-head-coach-tennessee-titans-offensive-coordinator

I blame the racism of the Old Boys Club.

Browns are seriously considering Freddie Kitchens, the guy who took over as OC when Todd Haley was fired.

My preference is to leave the interim staff in place. 6-2 in the second half of the season. I don’t want to disrupt the chemistry. Greg Williams gets a lot of shit, but it’s hard to argue that he wasn’t successful. The guys play hard for him and he seems to set a good atmosphere of accountability to the team.

But Kitchens is arguably more directly responsible for the team’s resurgence, with night and day differences in offensive game planning. He may be one of the great upcoming offensive minds, I don’t know. If we do retain the interim staff, and the Browns offense does really well, then Kitchens probably leaves for a HC job next year.

If the Browns think they’ve found someone special, I’d be okay with that.

Seems like he has a pretty good history of being around successful offenses prior to 2018, but it seems weird that his most recent resume items are offensive coordinator of an abysmal Titans offense in 2018, and while it was a decent showing as Rams OC in 2017, the Rams seemed to take it to the next level without him in 2018.

So Bruce Arians to Tampa Bay (he originally said he’d only come back to coach the Browns).

Packers signed Matt LeFleur, OC of the 2017 Rams and 2018 Titans.

Some guy named Kliff Kingsbury to Arizona, apparently a college coach with a losing record, but what they’re banking on to be an unrecognized young offensive genius.

Browns leading candidate seems to be Freddie Kitchens.

The only team to interview Josh McDaniels (after blowing off the Colts last year) was the Packers, so he’s staying in New England, evidently as the designated successor.

Greg Schiano, former Rutgers and Tampa Bay head coach, is out as DC at Ohio State, so he might get back into the NFL now. Belichick loves him.

Oftentimes, a college HC who is highly prized is recognized as someone who has a good football mind, but who is, for whatever reason, poor at the recruiting aspect of college coaching. USC certainly liked him; they not only hired him immediately to take their OC spot, but they refused to let him talk to NFL teams originally, desperate to hang on to him. Still, making the jump directly to HC in the NFL will probably be a stretch; he likely won’t have the credibility to impress the Cardinals’ veterans.

Browns promote Kitchens to HC. Dorsey has been doing everything right so far so I should probably trust his judgement. From what I’ve read, it seems like Kitchens is a very smart guy who thinks about the game on a higher level than the average coach, and he clearly has chemistry with Mayfield, so I’m optimistic.

Williams was dismissed. Which makes sense, it’d be too problematic to keep a former interim coach around in a lesser position.

Kind of a shit sandwich for him, though. He takes over the team in mid-season and presides over a massive turnaround, then gets the boot a few months later.

The best news here is that it will get him off the Chief’s broadcast team next year.

Fangio to Denver.

About time he got a head coaching gig. The 49ers should have promoted him when Harbaugh left.