NFL Coaching carousel, who stays and who goes?

I’m pretty sure I don’t want to tie my wager to Brad Johnson 15 years ago; I’d much rather wager Glennon against his current peers.

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The point you challenged was that Glennon is better than Brad Johnson. The league average passer rating in 2002 (Johnson’s Super Bowl year) was 80.4. The league average this past season was 84.1. So 5 points is considerably more than the 3.7 points that the league average has gone up by.

My point was that I don’t believe that Mike Glennon can be as good as Brad Johnson when the Bucs won the Super Bowl. That year, Johnson had a 92.9 rating, which was good for #3 in the NFL, and he still wasn’t even close to being the reason the Bucs won the Super Bowl. I leave open the distinct possibility of Glennon being able to win a Super Bowl, especially after watching the dismal play of Super Bowl champs Eli Manning and Joe Flacco this year. Give almost any QB a great defense, a good O line, a solid running game, and they can win a championship simply by not fucking up too bad, getting hot at the right time, or having the breaks go their way.

I don’t think Glennon will ever be more than an average NFL QB, which is enough to win a championship with the right team. And I certainly don’t think he’ll ever be “well above average”. His “respectable” rating this year was enough to qualify him as the 21st rated QB, which seems about right for him.

So, if you want, I’d be wiling to wager that Glennon never ends the season as the #3 ranked QB in the league, like Johnson did his Super Bowl year. :slight_smile:

Mike Zimmer, former Bengals DC, now is the Vikings new head coach.

About time.

He never got any looks the last couple years, despite building one of the better defenses in the league. It would have been a shame if he once again didn’t have any interviews.

Now we get to see if he’s got any actual head coaching chops. He’s got his work cut out for him up there.

I expect this to be a disaster. Zimmer just doesn’t strike me as a good manager. Definitely knows his Xs and Os and his players always seem to go hard for him, but he doesn’t strike me as an attention-to-detail guy or a guy who will be very good at the administrative, PR and organizational tasks that HCs must do, specifically hiring and firing assistants, self-scouting and running a draft.

To be fair I’m basing 90% of this on his appearances on Hard Knocks so it’s far from a thorough evaluation.

Could be, but the Vikings wouldn’t be too much worse off than they would under Frazier. Maybe Zimmer won’t be the answer in Minnesota, but he’s probably also not going to bottom the team out, either.

It’s a lot like the QB problem. Sure, everybody wants a Manning or a Brady, but most teams have to do the best with what they’ve got, warts and all. And lots of teams are going to swing and miss several times before finding the right QB or HC or GM. Some teams never seem to find the right ones, except by luck.

Jared Allen in a 3-4? Hmmm.

Consider the source, but at least someone thinks Tennessee is just a fucked as Detroit and Minnesota.

Little surprised to see that Cleveland is letting Turner and Horton interview. Both guys will be coveted and they’d probably be making the 1-year overreaction on Chud even more damaging if they left. Granted any new coach is going to want to pick his own guys so I’m sure those coordinators probably are feeling anything but secure (and having them might make hiring a HC tougher if he feels handcuffed). Will be interesting to watch, personally I expect both guys to take other jobs. Turner in Minnesota actually makes a lot of sense as worries this Bears fan, Peterson with Norv calling plays? Yikes.

Zimmer ran a 4-3 in Cincy. I doubt he’ll run a 3-4 in Minnesota.

Not sure why I had it in my head that Zimmer was a 3-4 guy. I had it in my head that he was a LeBeau disciple or something. Maybe I just assumed Marvin Lewis dictated it. Anyways, brain fart on my end.

Parcells, who’s a classic 3-4 guy, thought highly of Zimmer as an assistant in Dallas. Though that was the first and so far only time Zimmer implemented it.

As far as I can tell, Lewis primarily ran a 4-3 in Baltimore. The 3-4 seems to have come with Rex Ryan. They started Super Bowl XXXV in a 4-3, at least.

They switched to a 3-4 under DC Mike Nolan after Lewis left for Cincy.

Lewis went to the Redskins to be their DC after Baltimore first, then went to Cincy.

Adam Gase, presumed to be the Brown’s top (current) choice tells the team he doesn’t wish to be considered for the vacancy. I have no clue if he was ready to be a head coach after just a single year as a coordinator (but you have to admit, he has Peyton Manning playing like a hall of famer).

This, is getting embarrassing.

Thanks. I forgot Nolan (as has everyone else :D).

Looks like Mike Pettine is going to get an offer from the Browns. Defensive coordinator of the Bills last year and Jets the previous 4 years.

I think they did really want Gase, and maybe he gave them mixed signals, said he’d interview after the superbowl and they just assumed he’d jump at the chance for a head coaching job. And maybe Denver told him he’d get first crack at their HC position there when John Fox, who’s had some health scares, retires soon enough, so he withdrew himself from consideration. I don’t know.

What I do know is that the Browns got their 5th or 6th choice again, a guy no other teams were apparently interested in for their HC position, so that bodes well.

They also missed out on the chance to have the best coordinators by being the last to hire their coach - a necessary evil if you’re going to hire one of the superbowl coaches, but just a waste in this case.