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Mike Crawford, Steve Bartalo, Don Smith, William Howard, Lars Tate, Patrick Egu, Jamie Lawson, Derrick Douglas, Reggie Cobb, Mazio Royster, Rudy Harris, Errict Rhett, Warrick Dunn, Autry Denson, Anthony Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Brock Forsey, Cedric Benson, J.D. Runnels, Garrett Wolfe.
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Wow. Just…wow.
I feel like the disaster that has been Bears quarterbacking under Angelo should probably be mentioned as well, I mean we did just resign Rex Grossman afterall.
Jerry’s history of QB selections:
Mike Shula, Vinny Testaverde, Pat O’Hara, Mike Pawlawski, Craig Erickson, Trent Dilfer, Shaun King, Joe Hamilton, Rex Grossman, Craig Krenzel, Kyle Orton.
I’ll give him props for Vinny, but generally this confirms the point that there’s inverse relationship between time spent touching the ball and Jerry’s ability to evaluate them. Not sure he wants to put that on his next CV.
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I got everyone beat…I’m a Dolphins fan. When your team is absolute shit, there’s only one way to go, and that is up (or so I hope). And when your team is 1-15, the most exciting time of year is the draft.
#1 pick: They have so many holes, it’s hard to know what to do with it. Ideally, they could trade down to a mid-first and pick up some later picks too. But, ever since Jimmy Johnson’s Cowboys raped the Minnesotta Vikings in exchange for Herschel Walker, I just don’t think a blockbuster pick swap is ever going to be forthcoming.
In that light, I think the best hope is to pick the best player out there; I’m hoping for LSU’s Glen Dorsey. Maybe a stud defensive lineman would entice Jason Taylor to stick it out for another few years.
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Only one way to go is up? The Lions have stayed down for 40 years. Crappy level to maintain but we can do it. You can stay down a long time with bad management and crappy coaching.
Iggles fan here.
Much as I hate to say it because it makes the Philly talk-radio jackballs think they’ve won, I think it might be time for the Kevin Kolb era.
if we can get a good package of picks, we should take it.
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if we can get a good package of picks, we should take it.
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There’s the rub. I think McNabb’s time in Philly is done, but the Eagles are asking for multiple first-round picks from a team who’s getting the privilege of paying injury prone McNabb $10 million a year. Not too many franchises are going to make that move. At this point in his career McNabb is seriously overpaid, for a team to acquire him they are essentially doing the Eagles a favor. If I were a GM I’d tell the Iggles to eat shit if they asked for a bundle of draft picks.
Is this to be about free agency or trades or whatever, and specifically excluding the draft?
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Is this to be about free agency or trades or whatever, and specifically excluding the draft?
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The separation is temporal, not topical. So here is fine for draft discussion, but as we move into April look for a dedicated draft thread. Those usually turn into a multi-page play-by-play commentaries while the draft is happening.
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On this topic I decided to do some digging and look at Jerry Angelo’s track record with RBs.
It appears that his first draft pick was in 1986 for Tampa Bay, one Bo Jackson, selected #1 overall. Bo didn’t want to play for the Bucs and decided to play baseball instead. I wonder if that bad experience has turned Jerry into a bitter, angry, scorned lover when it comes to scouting RBs. Every time he tries to turn on tape of a college running back his lips begin to quiver and his hands clench and unclench before he whips the remote against the wall and storms out.
Since that Bo Jackson debacle he’s drafted exactly 20 RBs in 21 seasons making up this immortal list:
Mike Crawford, Steve Bartalo, Don Smith, William Howard, Lars Tate, Patrick Egu, Jamie Lawson, Derrick Douglas, Reggie Cobb, Mazio Royster, Rudy Harris, Errict Rhett, Warrick Dunn, Autry Denson, Anthony Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Brock Forsey, Cedric Benson, J.D. Runnels, Garrett Wolfe.
I mean, wow, that throws it into contrast don’t it?
His track record of first rounders, which should be the closest to a sure thing, was Bo, who he couldn’t even convince to show up. Warrick Dunn, who has been pretty solid but probably not worthy of a 12th overall pick. And finally the corpse known as Cedric Benson with the 4th overall pick. Nice job Jerry!
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The Bears shouldn’t have let Thomas Jones go…
And Grossman indeed sucks.
Da Bears have a good to great defense…if their top secondary players stop getting hurt for long stretches.
Their offense is in a world of hurt right now, with Benson, Grossman and an underwhelming WR cadre.
I wonder if the Bears will look to draft a QB high or if they will go FA…McNabb would be an upgrade if available, but SO costly it may not be worth it.
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Iggles fan here.
Much as I hate to say it because it makes the Philly talk-radio jackballs think they’ve won, I think it might be time for the Kevin Kolb era.
if we can get a good package of picks, we should take it.
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You’re awfully polite…you sure you’re an Eagles fan?
<<ducks batteries>>
Dish Network is moving the NFL Network up a tier, apparently in retaliation for the NFL allowing other networks to carry the Giants/Patriots game in week 17 last year.
http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6534071.html?industryid=47199
Fortunately I’m safe, as I’m a Top 200 subscriber already for many compelling reasons*.
*Ok I admit it. It’s pretty much just so we can watch Project Runway, ok?
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I wonder if the Bears will look to draft a QB high or if they will go FA…McNabb would be an upgrade if available, but SO costly it may not be worth it.
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Meh. Flash back to the first half of 2006, when McNabb was turning out what might have ended up as the finest statistical season by a QB ever, and doing it with a really, really weak receiving corps.
If he can be 75% of that guy, he’ll be worth every penny.
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If he can be 75% of that guy, he’ll be worth every penny.
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$10 Million a year and losing multiple first round draft picks? For a guy who’s missed 15 games over his last 3 seasons? With a career 58% completion percentage?
Please put your name in consideration for the Packers GM job, please…
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The Bears shouldn’t have let Thomas Jones go…
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Nah, that wasn’t the problem. I loved Thomas Jones but the guy was over the hill. His numbers last season were nothing special and you could see him losing a step in his final season with the Bears. He stopped getting to the corner and was always getting run down from behind, plus the Jets get to pay him $5 million a year until he’s 33 years old. The Bears let him go at the right time. The problem is that they had no plan to replace him. Well, actually the plan was Benson, so they just had a shitty plan to replace him.
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Nah, that wasn’t the problem. I loved Thomas Jones but the guy was over the hill. His numbers last season were nothing special and you could see him losing a step in his final season with the Bears. He stopped getting to the corner and was always getting run down from behind, plus the Jets get to pay him $5 million a year until he’s 33 years old. The Bears let him go at the right time. The problem is that they had no plan to replace him. Well, actually the plan was Benson, so they just had a shitty plan to replace him.
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Well, last season he played for a really marginal team. If I recall correctly, Benson was anointed the starter at the beginning of 2006, but was hurt, and when he got healthy he couldn’t win the job back from Jones (entirely).
Jones seemed to suit the Bears that year, and found the endzone quite a bit, AFAIK.
It seemed to me at the time a mistake to cut him loose, but maybe only because their insurance plan, as you said, was shitty.
They really do need to settle their QB issue though. Grossman looked horrible in the Superbowl last year, and always seemed to be either hurt or wildly inconsistent before that.
Any Bengals fans out there in the cybersphere?
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$10 Million a year and losing multiple first round draft picks? For a guy who’s missed 15 games over his last 3 seasons? With a career 58% completion percentage?
Please put your name in consideration for the Packers GM job, please…
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I didn’t say he’d be worth the draft picks. I said he’d be worth the money.
And yes, for that guy.
Try to keep in mind that he had James Thrash as his #1 WR for three or four years when considering his completion percentage.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
I didn’t say he’d be worth the draft picks. I said he’d be worth the money.
And yes, for that guy.
Try to keep in mind that he had James Thrash as his #1 WR for three or four years when considering his completion percentage.
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I recall a conversation I had with a friend about whether the WR makes the QB or the other way around. He would point to Brady in 2006 and say “he had nobody to throw to!”…and then we would always gravitate to the similar situation in Philly…I mean, Freddie Mitchell? Thrash? Blech.
If it weren’t for McNabb and Westbrook, the Iggles wouldn’t have any offense at all.
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I didn’t say he’d be worth the draft picks. I said he’d be worth the money.
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Can’t have one without the other.
McNabb makes as much as Tom Brady (and Chad Pennington, ouch).
He also got to dump it to Westbrook 8 times a game too. He’s in a pretty completion friendly scheme, which make those numbers more troublesome. I think McNabb has gotten somewhat of a bad rap over these last few years, but the injury history and the diminished mobility make him a liability at that price. If anyone were to pick him up you’d better be in the Super Bowl for the next 2 or 3 years because you’ll be in salary cap hell for the following 3.
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I recall a conversation I had with a friend about whether the WR makes the QB or the other way around. He would point to Brady in 2006 and say “he had nobody to throw to!”…and then we would always gravitate to the similar situation in Philly…I mean, Freddie Mitchell? Thrash? Blech.
If it weren’t for McNabb and Westbrook, the Iggles wouldn’t have any offense at all.
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And for most of his career, he hasn’t even had Westbrook (well, he was a spot player for a long time). He had Duce Staley, who couldn’t catch a pass with a baseball mitt.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
And for most of his career, he hasn’t even had Westbrook (well, he was a spot player for a long time). He had Duce Staley, who couldn’t catch a pass with a baseball mitt.
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In Duce’s defense, it *really is * hard to catch a football with a baseball mitt.
I’ve tried.
But I know what you’re saying.
I always felt kinda bad for Correll Buckhalter. If he had been able to stay healthy I think he was the superior back to Duce.