[QUOTE=Omniscient]
Yes, yes, a million times yes.
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I’m envisioning an open, interactive thread where posters can make a pick for whichever team is up. The downside is there may be some ridiculous picks made which can throw off the rest of the draft. The other option is to limit the picks only to certain posters. What do you think?
It would completely depend on who is available on draft day. If a decent DE/CB/ or OG/OT isn’t available, I’d make that trade (but I’d want a 5th or 6th too). And, as a Packer fan, I’d be happy to see the Bears gambling on Flacco.
[QUOTE=Omniscient]
Also, the cynic in me would point out that the HOF would probably really love to get a second black QB into Canton.
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Well, they’ll have McNabb soon enough.
Oddly, while McNabb’s numbers aren’t really much different from McNair’s, and he has the same number of Super Bowl appearances and losses, I see McNabb as a lock while I see McNair as a longshot.
“With the first pick in the 2008 National Football League Amateur Draft, the Miami Dolphins select Brady Quinn, quarterback, Notre Dame… uh… hold on a moment, please. Bill? I’m pretty sure he went to the Browns last year. Are you sure you didn’t pick up last year’s card by mistake?”
chorus of boos
“Ladies and gentlemen, the Miami Dolphins select… Glenn Dorsey, defensive tackle, LSU.”
[QUOTE=Hamlet]
I’m envisioning an open, interactive thread where posters can make a pick for whichever team is up. The downside is there may be some ridiculous picks made which can throw off the rest of the draft. The other option is to limit the picks only to certain posters. What do you think?
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I think the best way would be to do it sorta like they do the D&D threads. We’d start a recruitment thread and get a half-dozen or so Dopers who will be around for an hour or so at a specified time and just take turns going in order. The peanut gallery would be welcome to laugh and critique each pick. Lather-rinse-repeat.
I think it’s safe to say that a worthwhile OT/OG will not be left for that 30th pick. There probably will be a couple CBs left on the board, but one will probably still be there in the middle of the second round too. The Bears have the 7th and 27th picks in the third round and the difference between the Packers 30th pick and the Bears 44th pick is equivalent to the 18th pick in the third round according to the draft value charts. So if the Bears gave you the higher third rounder you’d have to give back a 4th rounder, if they gave you the lower third rounder you’d probably get a 5th.
I also like Omni’s idea of getting a group together to make picks. Each person can be assigned some teams, so trades would be possible. I’ll let Omni run with that idea. You can’t have too many mock drafts.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
Do we get to trade in this mock thread?
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I’d say no, that’s a recipe for confusion. We would probably only do the first round, maybe the second if we’re all really well informed, and that makes trades pretty much moot. Even the ESPN experts don’t both with trade predictions.
[QUOTE=SenorBeef]
It’s not much, but if they’re up against the cap now, they’d have to cut players or not sign their draft picks to free that money up.
Example #481242 of what gabage ESPN is… every week they were doing the “jacked up” segment on nfl primetime or whatever it was, showing the 5 or 10 biggest hits… and that one didn’t make the reel. WTF?
I guessed at the time that they didn’t want to see their pet Chad shown in a bad light.
[QUOTE=Really Not All That Bright]
I wasn’t kidding when I said Dorsey would be the pick.
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I’m a huge Dorsey fan, and I think he is the best player in the draft, but it’s just not worth paying ANY DT ~$8m+ a year. And I don’t think he is ideal in a 3-4 defense. Dolphins should go with Jake Long.
[QUOTE=BabaBooey]
I’m a huge Dorsey fan, and I think he is the best player in the draft, but it’s just not worth paying ANY DT ~$8m+ a year. And I don’t think he is ideal in a 3-4 defense. Dolphins should go with Jake Long.
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Chad Johnson is not TO, and while he might have been able to mouth off to a reserved guy like Kitna or a fresh-faced ingenue like Palmer, I doubt he’d try the same thing on McNabb.
After all, I’m sure he remembers what happened to T.O.
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Uh, Chad is becoming exactly like TO was with the Eagles. And he wouldn’t mouth off to McNabb? Why not? WTF is McNabb going to do, sell more soup?
And what, pray tell, happened to TO?
Why, he got his wish and got traded!
How is this different from TO again, exactly? Same agent, same behavior…I call BS on you.
[QUOTE=Omniscient]
Incidentally this McNair retirement further ensures that the Ravens will be taking a QB in the first 2 rounds. This is important to me because that makes it that much less likely the Bears will be able to get the QB that they need in the 2nd round, and reports have the Ravens very high on Joe Flacco, the guy I think the Bears need.
That means that the Falcons, Ravens and Chiefs are all definitely expected to draft a QB and have 2 picks to do so before the Bears in the 2nd round. The Dolphins, Jets and Panthers all might be considering it if they are high on one of those guys as well. Things are not looking good for the Bears chances to get anything other than table scraps at the QB position unless there’s a trade up into the second half of the first round. Crap.
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This retirement also helps the Bengalis get a coveted DT at 9, Dorsey or Ellis.
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee]
If I were the Eagles I’d do it in a heartbeat. I’d send Trent Cole and a 5th rounder for Chad and call it a day.
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I think Trent Cole is way too much to give up for the Eagles. Not that Chad doesn’t warrant that sort of expense, but the Eagles can’t afford to give up on Cole. Cole is an All Pro caliber DE, and he’s too important to that defense. The Eagles had a total of 37.5 sacks last year, and Cole alone had 12.5 (more than double the next closest Eagle). Definitely too much to give.
[QUOTE=FoieGrasIsEvil]
Uh, Chad is becoming exactly like TO was with the Eagles. And he wouldn’t mouth off to McNabb? Why not? WTF is McNabb going to do, sell more soup?
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As much as I think the Eagles need a #1 WR, I’d take any of them over Chad Johnson (excepting of course T.O.). There isn’t any legitimate argument that can be made saying that Chad would be any better than T.O. was, and clearly McNabb is unable to effective handle a diva WR. It would be the same thing again, and this organization can’t handle that.
[QUOTE=EsotericEnigma]
As much as I think the Eagles need a #1 WR, I’d take any of them over Chad Johnson (excepting of course T.O.). There isn’t any legitimate argument that can be made saying that Chad would be any better than T.O. was, and clearly McNabb is unable to effective handle a diva WR. It would be the same thing again, and this organization can’t handle that.
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Nah, Chad’s not anywhere close to TO. TO was calling Jeff Garcia a homo (when he’s married to probably the hottest woman I have ever seen) in SF and was an asshole when he was forced to defer to Jerry Rice. The shit he pulled in Philly saying he’d rather have Favre over McNabb is exponentially worse than anything Chad has done. Really all Chad did towards Carson Palmer is tell him to mind his own business, which is a pretty valid statement, it’s not like Chad is some puppy like Brandon Marshall.
Supposedly Chad has been unhappy in Cincy for a while now and tried to get things sorted out privately before going public this summer. TO never did that and TO was always about getting paid. Chad has gotten paid and is more-or-less frustrated with all the losing and drama in the Bengals franchise.
Chad is an attention whore, no doubt, but he’s not nearly as mean spirited as TO and Chad was a ideal teammate prior to the last couple seasons. I think there’s plenty of reason to believe that he’d be a good guy in a better situation than Cincy.
[QUOTE=EsotericEnigma]
I think Trent Cole is way too much to give up for the Eagles. Not that Chad doesn’t warrant that sort of expense, but the Eagles can’t afford to give up on Cole. Cole is an All Pro caliber DE, and he’s too important to that defense. The Eagles had a total of 37.5 sacks last year, and Cole alone had 12.5 (more than double the next closest Eagle). Definitely too much to give.
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Makes sense. I didn’t realize how much Cole has come into his own, nor how much he’d separated himself from the pack.
I remember when the Eagles used to maintain two full four-man lines, switching all four in and out at the same time like a hockey line shift. At the time, Cole (who looked great even then) was on the second line; not even a starter.
I knew he’d earned the starting gig, but not following the Eagles too closely I figured they were all pretty much in the same ballpark. I figured Cole was probably the best, but not by such a huge margin.
Note that I only watch two Eagles games a year, though occasionally there is a third.
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee]
I remember when the Eagles used to maintain two full four-man lines, switching all four in and out at the same time like a hockey line shift. At the time, Cole (who looked great even then) was on the second line; not even a starter.
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That wasn’t too long ago, maybe the year before last, I think. They’re still trying to use that same strategy because it has worked so well since they adopted it. The main weakness is that Darren Howard has really fallen off the radar (much like Kearse did), and isn’t giving any production at all anymore. Still has four years left on his deal too, ugh.
[QUOTE=Omniscient]
Chad is an attention whore, no doubt, but he’s not nearly as mean spirited as TO and Chad was a ideal teammate prior to the last couple seasons. I think there’s plenty of reason to believe that he’d be a good guy in a better situation than Cincy.
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Maybe you can make a case that T.O. is worse than Chad, though I believe you’re essentially trying to say influenza is worse than the flu, but consider the real center of the issue here. Knowing the Eagles’ history, is it really worth the risk? I’m not sure… I mean, there aren’t any allegations that T.O. ever punched out one of his coaches (which is far, far worse than saying you’d rather have a different QB).
