::shakes head:: Those are some damn ugly uniforms.
Clearly I have no taste when it comes to uniforms. I like them.
The Bengals kicked the tires on Richie “Not So” Incognito today…I wonder just how many misfits and malcontents the Bengals can handle.
Dude has serious anger control issues, but he is talented. But, the Bengals oline committed so many damn drive-killing penalties last season that bringing in this guy would definitely be a concern.
Not from what I’ve seen. He’s slow and inflexible, and commits a ton of penalties. You could also ask Marc Bulger how good he is. He started because the Rams were so damn desperate.
Hrm. I thought that his upside was that he was athletic, a good pass blocker and played with a mean streak. Just from blurbs I’ve read.
But he is a headcase, that much is certain.
As much as I love to rip on the Packers I actually agree with you here. They aren’t all that bad. They are a little hokey with the super sized numbers, the small ones actually look more natural. I’ve long been wishing my Illini would go old school for their permanent uniforms primarily including faux khaki pants with the navy tops and this uniform is basically that. I like it. The faux leather helmet isn’t really working for me very well, but the blue on khaki is solid.
That’s a little like saying “the only reason I’d like to trade in my old car for a new one is that mine has 80,000 miles on it.” Well, yeah. Expected future value is a pretty big thing. A 27 year old is just likely to improve; a 34 year old is likely to decline.
Not to say that McNabb sucks or anything, but I can’t imagine anyone who was building a team right now taking him over Cutler.
A team that’s “only a good QB away” would take McNabb over Cutler. Cutler could (not a certainty) develop along with the rest of a building team, but a team that sees its window closing anytime soon can’t wait for him.
If I were building a team for 4 years down the road, maybe. If I want to win football games next season or the season after that (and likely the season after that), give me McNabb easily. And I’ll note that the whole issue involves the price too, with Cutler being more than twice the price of McNabb.
Does no one remember McNabb puking away a Super Bowl? In what world is anyone deluding themselves into thinking McNabb is a “good QB away” solution. The Eagles have been a loaded team for most of his career and he hasn’t gotten them over the hump. Why the hell would he get a team like the Jets, Panthers or Titans over the hump.
Has Cutler been to a Super Bowl? A conference Championship? The playoffs?
No. No. And no.
Your skewed opinions aside, McNabb is a good quarterback, and miles upon miles better than Cutler.
McNabb has a better than 2:1 TD:INT ratio playing with mostly sub-par receivers. Cutler had a sub-1.5 ratio playing with Marshall in Denver, and threw 27 TDs and 26 picks last year in Chicago.
Replace Sanchez, Delhomme, or Vince Young with McNabb year and it’s probably good for an extra win or two, which puts the Panthers and Titans right in the thick of the playoff hunt and clinches a spot for the Jets before week 17. Replace them with Cutler and it’s a wash.
Does anyone remember Peyton Manning choking away playoff games against the Patriots? I wouldn’t want that guy on my team either…
Omni. Dude. Stop it. McNabb is a better quarterback than you’ve ever had in a Bears uniform.
Don’t you have a lot of college basketball to be watching and shit? UPSIDE!!
Hey kids, I’m not the one who compared McNabb to Cutler. Step away from the straw man.
McNabb is OKAY. That’s all he is. He’s never won anything in the NFL playing on one of the most consistently talented teams in the league. At 34 years old he’s not worth a 1st round pick, period. That’s the extent of the argument I’ve made.
Hamlet gets to make a snarky comment about Cutler and suddenly you clowns think I’m trying to sell Cutler as the second coming of Peyton? Really? Aside from the observation that 25 year old QBs are more valuable than 34 year old ones I’m not sure who you’re arguing with.
In other news, one of my least favorite Bears was shown the door today, FB Jason McKie. So glad they are done wasting a roster spot on this guy any more and expending energy using him in 3rd down situations.
Freddie Mitchell, Todd Pinkston, Torrance Small, Charles Johnson, James Thrash, Greg Lewis, Reggie Brown. Except for one year with TO (and the emergence of DeSean Jackson), he had absolute garbage to throw to, and still produced, still made Pro Bowls, and the Eagles still made the playoffs. They did have a very good defense, but McNabb was almost the entire offense for years. In 2002 and 2005, the years he suffered injuries, the team either was one and out of the playoffs or didn’t make it.
I pointed out what I saw as a flaw in your logic, where a Pro Bowl QB coming off one of his highest QB rating seasons, isn’t worth a first rounder, but Cutler is worth 2, another 3rd, and a starting QB.
Great QB’s are more valuable than not great QB’s, even if the not great is younger. That’s the point I’m making.
Rightly or wrongly, it seems the GMs of the NFL don’t agree – if (as the rumors have it) McNabb is available for a one, and he hasn’t been traded, his market value is less than that (so far).
The point about immediate value is well-taken; but 90+% of the teams are not looking at “we need a QB for right now, and nothing else matters.” Most people are looking to build a team that will be a contender for a 5-10 year stretch; generally you don’t build around 34 year olds with an extensive injury history.
And as far as the stats go – Cutler’s first four years were better than McNabb’s first four (and his first three years, which is what his trade value was based on a year ago, were much better). More INTs, but also more TDs, a better completion % and better yards per attempt.
Granted, McNabb had crappy recievers back then, but Cutler’s weren’t all that good for most of that time, and his horrible fourth year came after a tumultous offseason, huge media pressure, and a system change. ISTM more likely that it was year four that was the fluke, not the first three.
Sorry, again, Omni. It’s almost pathetic how valuable an even average NFL quarterback is. McNabb is a good quarterback. We can argue whether or not he’s top-5 or just “above average”, but the man produces and wins. Cutler could grow into that role, but took a nasty step back last year.
If I had to pick one of the two to lead my team to victory, I’d take McNabb in a heartbeat.
True. That’s one, of about 2,000,000 reasons why I’m not a GM.
The Vikings last year getting Favre was surely the exception to the rule. The thing is, though, that a great QB is vitally important to success in the current NFL, so the teams finding success, as a general rule, already have a solid QB. The teams that are looking for one, generally, don’t. So the middle ground, where a team is primed, but just needs a QB, doesn’t happen all that much. The Cards and Panthers I think are a couple that could use McNabb to make a run. Personally, I think the Ravens, the Titans, the Jets, and other teams could have used a guy like McNabb (if anyone of his caliber were available) when they “great but lacking a QB” teams. And the Cards got one with Warner. But those teams drafted QBs highly instead, and may find their window slowly closing while they wait for them to develop.
If Cutler ends up being as good as McNabb or ever gets close to McNabb’s W-L record, you’ll be right. But right now, and for the next couple years, I’d take McNabb over Cutler.
The Packers’ uniform colors were blue and gold until Lombardi became coach and GM, at which point someone (not sure if it was Vince) realized that, with the name of the city, maybe it’d make sense to have green in the uniform. 
So, whenever they’ve done throwback unis, they’ve always been blue and gold. I suspect the khaki-colored pants are meant to evoke the old canvas football pants.