No, that’s not what happened. They crashed into each other, and his skate accidentally cut Karlsson’s tendon. But, of course, because it’s Matt Cooke, it was intentional. :rolleyes:
I just watched the video replay on-line. This was intentional. Completely intentional and should warrant expulsion of Matt Cooke for the rest of the season. There was no reason for his skate to be where it was.
This is one of the worst intentional injuries I’ve ever seen. This was no accident. And I’m (obviously) not a Senators fan.
Try reading for comprehension. Did I say that he intentionally got Karlsson’s achilles? No, and it would absurd to claim that. You’d think that my use of the word “misses” there would have made that clear. But don’t you dare try to tell me that was a hockey play. Matt Cooke deliberately swept his leg into Karlsson’s from behind. That’s a slewfoot. That’s a dirty play.
We may have just seen the end of Erik Karlsson as a star player in the National Hockey League. Achilles tears are notoriously difficult to come back from.
Edit: Replay for those who are interested: Erik Karlsson's Injury (February 13 2013) - YouTube
Why the hell would he bother to slew foot him at that point? They were both against the boards?
And later, Neil attacks Cooke, and who gets kicked out? Hint – it wasn’t Neil.
I’m not denying that Matt Cooke doesn’t have a history. But he’s made a serious effort to change – last season I don’t think he got a single dirty play in. If it was any other player, he’d have been given the benefit of the doubt.
He was doing that with this skate all the way into the boards.
You want to try this one again?
17:54 OTT Chris Neil : Roughing - 2 min (Matt Cooke)
17:54 OTT Chris Neil : Roughing - 2 min (Matt Cooke)
17:54 OTT Chris Neil : Misconduct - 10 min
The only reason why Cooke got tossed was because the ref wanted to reduce the temperature of the game by getting rid of the target of the Sens’ fury. The game was over at that point and everybody knew it; the ref was just trying to get out of that game without a brawl.
Thinking some more about this, I don’t think Matt Cooke should be allowed to play in the NHL ever again.
I’m serious.
This is not a good situation for him. The book shall be thrown.
coughdavidsteckelcough
Bullshit. Crosby should have gotten an interference call on that play.
I’ve only seen a video from one angle of the Cooke play. It is hard to tell what exactly is going on but it seems to me that his foot comes up as they tangle and he loses balance. The rest is just one of those unfortunate injuries that happen when large men skate fast in an enclosed area. Not all injuries are due to a punishable act by another player. Still the NHL has a history of punishing by reputation.
I don’t know that it was intentional in the sense that that was his ultimate goal, but he brought his leg unnecessarily up and there was nothing good going to come of out of that situation.
That’s putting it lightly.
Bullshit. One doesn’t accidentally throw flying elbows and slew foot people. It doesn’t take an effort to NOT try to hurt people; just the opposite. That your giving him credit for doing what he’s supposed to do is absurd.
The guy is a dangerous individual and has been for years. That he can just up and decide one day that he’s going to not try to hurt people isn’t all that admirable when one considers that that just reinforces the fact that he’s been deliberately trying to hurt people for his whole career and that he could have stopped at any time. At least if he’d continued doing what he was doing he could have played the “I can’t help myself” card.
This guy should have been out of the League years ago.
Watching it live last night it looked like an accident.
Watching the replay, no, it wasn’t accidental at all. Cooke appears to be kicking Karlsson on purpose. That’s a horrible, horrible play, and he should be suspended for at least a season. Using your skate as a weapon is despicable.
The fact that Cooke managed to have one clean season doesn’t really mean anything, aside from the fact that you’d have to be amazingly gullible to think Cooke isn’t still a dirty player. His “History” of “cleaning up” his game essentially amounts to one season out of twelve in which he toned it down immediately after a season-concluding suspension the previous year and he had been put on warning that he was risking his career if he kept cheap-shotting people. He was, in other words, trying to avoid getting suspended because the risk to him had never been higher before. Surprise, surprise, this season his penalty rate has doubled from last season and he chops down on a guy’s leg with his skate; you can’t take the goon out of someone forever. The fact is that he’s the dirtiest player of the last twenty years.
You don’t get credit for games where you don’t do dirty stuff. If Chris Neil had done this to Sidney Crosby I’d be calling for an equally lengthy suspension, and Neil doesn’t have Cooke’s record.
However, they’ve already said nothing will be done about it. Who knows why they make the decisions they do. Cooke is Canadian and Karlsson’s Swedish, maybe that’s it.
Oh bullshit yourself. If it were anyone other than Matt Cooke, I highly doubt people would be screaming for blood. If it were Kris Letang, or Pascal Dupuis, no one would doubt it was an accident.
I saw the replay too, in slo-mo. It looked like an awkward crash. The guy was trying to gain his balance – it that was a slew foot, it was one of the weirdest ones I’ve ever seen. (If anything, it looked more like Cooke was trying to knee him in the ass)
Even Shanahan disagrees with you, and he’s far from a Matt Cooke fan.
But whatever.
You have to suspend someone for using the skate to injure. Cooke’s history requires that the suspension be longer than for someone who doesn’t have a really long history of dirty play; that’s established precedent.
Furthermore, it DOES require that you take his history into account when asking if his stepping on Karlsson’s ankle was intentional; some players have a history of cheap shots and some don’t, and Cooke is on the extreme end of “has a history.” f that means Cooke shouldn’t get the benefit of the doubt where Kris Letang would, well, that’s Matt Cooke’s fault.
That’s your confirmation bias. You perceive an unfair bias against your favorite team and conveniently forget the other cases that don’t involve your team.
It is kind of uncanny how it so often involves the Penguins though, isn’t it?
He lifted his leg unnecessarily. No one but Matt Cooke knows what his full intent was, but there was clearly an intent to do something.
Oh, well, if Shanahan thinks it was okay it must be okay. His actions in these types of situations are beyond reproach…
Yeah. Easier to just dismiss it as unsubstantiated bias and petty jealousy.
Hey, that reminds me. What’s Lemieux got to say on the matter?
Lemieux hasn’t said anything – usually Shero’s the one who speaks for him. I haven’t read anything yet. (Mario rarely speaks to the media – even in his playing days he had a reputation for being an extremely private individual)
And I’m the one who’s biased? Everyone’s all, “Of COURSE it was on purpose! It was MATT COOKE!!!” Several of you even admitted that you’d give someone else the benefit of the doubt.
My point about Shanahan is, he has no love for Cooke. He probably has the guy on speed dial. There have been times when Cooke has been rightly suspended. This time the League made the right call, and it has nothing to do with my team. I was quite disappointed that he wasn’t disciplined for the hit on Savard, actually. (From I gather, Campbell had a grudge against Savard, which is why he was replaced by Shanny)
And not a one has condemned Neil for his sucker punch at Cooke. But of course, he deserves it. Two wrongs make a right, doncha know? :rolleyes: (Hell, Cooke didn’t even fight back and HE was the one who got tossed out!)
Maybe I’m biased, maybe I’m not. But I’m NOT the only one. I think this was an unfortunate accident, much like the Steckel hit on Crosby was.
I don’t care one way or another, but that looked pretty intentional to me. There’s plausible deniability, I suppose, but I wouldn’t give him the benefit of a doubt. And, yes. It’s because it’s Matt Cooke.
Red Wing fan here. Dislike the Pens, dislike Cindy, dislike Cooke.
It was a total accident. Leg comes up because they are off balance and jostling each other, just like what happens a hundred times a night in the NHL with no problems. It’s a bad break for Karlsson and the Sens, but it was just an accident.
By the way, no one tries to slew-foot someone by lifting their skate off of the ice.
No, what I said was that it was on purpose because it looked like it was on purpose.
As to Neil, contrary to your earlier claim, he was appropriately punished. Not much more to say.
Cooke was the one kicked out, however. Neil was not, despite sucker punching a guy who didn’t fight back.
Should Cooke have been more careful? Probably. Was it on purpose? No.
As a Bruins fan, I am far from a Matt Cooke fan, but I have to agree with Guin. After finally being able to take a look at the play, I can see how everyone sees Cooke’s leg come up and automatically starts thinking nefarious thoughts. Cooke is simply trying to pin Karlson, a play that happens thousands of times during a season. Watch any hockey came and you’re bound to see the play numerous times throughout the night. Cooke was making a basic fundamental hockey play and unfortunately there was an freak accident. Nothing more