Nicotine craving after meals

I have recently quit using “smokeless tobacco” after 25 years of chain dipping. It’s been 6 weeks now and, though the physical symptoms of withdrawal are finally gone, the cravings remain. I will occasionally get a tobacco craving out of the blue, but I can always count on a major craving just after eating. I’ve heard ex-smokers say the same thing - the hardest time is after a meal.

So, what is the deal with nicotine cravings after eating? Is there a physical component, or is this part of the psychological addiction?

Three things:

  1. It’s part of the habit- you likely used to “light up” after a meal. One reason why stop smoking experts suggest switching off a few habits- if you always had a cig (or a dip) with your coffee, switch to tea.

  2. A meal takes long enough so that the drug has gone and you need a “fix”. This is likely why you used to light up/dip

  3. In some dudes, the habit is so ingrained it seems to affect the digestive system.

Good luck, BTW. I suggest Wrigleys Doublemint. Something about that exact gum seems to help smokers quit.

There is also Lobelia Tea. If you really really get a bad craving after dinner, you might try this. Warning, this beverage comes with some caveats similar to nicotine.

Lobelia tea is good generally as a tobacco substitute. (One of its constituents, lobeline, fits the nicotine receptors in your noggin.) For the specific after dinner smoke or dip replacement, though, I have to go with bitters. One of the things I noticed when I quit smoking was that food would just sit in my stomach like a lead weight. Nicotine stimulates peristalsis, and actually gets the digestive tract moving. Without it, I felt bloated and icky. Enter bitters.

Being an herbalist, I used gentian, the bitterest bitter out there. Just one drop after a meal, and I felt lighter in minutes. Assuming gentian might be hard for you to find, try Angostora bitters, available in any supermarket or good liquor store. Bitters are used worldwide to kickstart the gall bladder, release bile into the bloodstream and digest those fats in your meal.

It’s also a highly effective emetic, so be careful with how much you take and how strong you make it, or you might find yourself losing the meal you have just eaten.

You might also look into trying Mint Snuff – it has essentially the same physical properties as oral snuff, but is made with mint instead of tobacco.

Thanks DrDeth, some of those make sense.

I don’t think this aplies to me as much as it would an average smoker. You see, from the time I got up until the time I went to bed I had a dip in. The only exception was to eat. It wasn’t like after a meal was a “special” time to partake, it was more like the meal was a special reason nat to partake.

Really? How much would the nicotine level in a person drop over a 30 minute to 1 hour period?

How so?

And, BTW, thanks for the substitute suggestions, but my habit was so strong that I do not want to concede anything back to it - no gum, no caffiene, no patches, no “natural mint” tobacco substitute, no way to backslide at all.

A few cites from Cecil:
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_223a.html
Dear Cecil:
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What’s the Straight Dope on nicotine? I know for a fact that nicotine is a stimulant, yet smoking seems to calm people. Can you explain this paradox? --A reader, Chicago

Cecil replies:

Give me a running start and enough Old Style, pal, and I can explain anything. It’s pretty generally agreed that smoking is mildly addictive, at least for some people, and that the anxiety smokers feel when they’re deprived of weed is actually drug withdrawal. Naturally, as soon as you light up, the symptoms disappear. A study by Columbia University researchers some years ago indicated that the craving for nicotine is related to acid levels in the urine–the more acid, the more you want to smoke. Moreover, stress seemed to make the urine even more acidic, causing you to want to smoke all the more. It was therefore suggested that smokers who are trying to cut down stoke up on acid-killers like bicarbonate of soda or Alka-Seltzer, particularly when they anticipate stressful situations, and at the same time avoid acidic substances like orange juice. I guarantee nothing, you understand, but it’s worth a shot.*

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a2_372.html
*Dear Cecil:

What is it about smoking a cigarette that will sometimes send me to the bathroom for a number two? --C.B.M., Washington

Dear C.:

During my foolish youth this is the kind of question I would kiss off with some totally uncalled-for if hilarious remark. Now that I am mature, however, I know that behind many seemingly inane queries there lie deep scientific truths. It is even so in the present case. The reason smoking makes you feel like heading for the john is that your body has been specially programmed to respond to the products of the R.J. Reynolds company. No fooling. Your guts are crammed with “nicotinic receptors,” which are part of the parasympathetic nervous system, which controls your digestion, among other things. When you use tobacco, these receptors are stimulated and your innards commence to churning. If you were pretty full already, you may well feel the need to visit the john.

Some people become dependent on this odd phenomenon. Cecil has heard of a case involving an old coot who used to spend every waking moment with a chaw of tobacco between cheek and gum. One time he had to go into the hospital for prostate surgery. While he was stretched out in the recovery room, a nurse noticed that his abdomen was swelling up. The attending physicians feared that they had pierced his intestine during the operation and infected him. But then another doctor strolled in and remarked, “Hey, that’s the first time I’ve ever seen old Charlie without his wad.” Remembering the nicotinic receptors, the physicians immediately guessed that old Charlie had become so accustomed to tobacco that his intestines wouldn’t work without it. His abdomen was swelling because his bowels were filling up with air like a balloon, an event known as an ileus. They promptly sent out for a family-size can of Red Man and administered a double dose. (I presume they woke Charlie up first.) The swelling soon subsided*

This cite says that it takes 2-5 hours for nicotine levels to drop
http://tinyurl.com/grbrl

This cite:
http://whyquit.com/whyquit/A_Symptoms.html
Like Pavlov’s dogs, who he conditioned to salivate upon the ringing of a bell, the nicotine addict’s mind has been conditioned to expect nicotine as soon as it begins to feel any discomfort associated with the onset of physical withdrawal. In response to falling nicotine levels, the habitual mind has been conditioned to intensify “desire” in order to cause us to ingest new nicotine and thereby avoid any discomfort. When we smoked, most of us received a gentle “desire” reminder every 20 to 30 minutes. If not satisfied, the desire would build and escalate in intensity to the point of becoming an influential urge or extremely demanding crave. Our mind has stored the means and manner by which it motivates us to ingest another hit of nicotine” and "*Our Habit Triggers - Although our basic time trigger served as our mind’s foundation for conditioning it to generate desire attacks, we have also conditioned it to expect new nicotine during certain events, at specific times each day, upon experiencing certain emotions or when we engage in specific activities. The mind is a “steal trap.” You many not consciously remember what you were doing, feeling or where you were when you fed yourself nicotine in the past, but those memories have been locked away deep within your subconscious.

Each of these emotions, events, specific times or locations will trigger our mind’s crave generator to begin pulsating desire when next encountered. Reconditioning each trigger is a very necessary part of recovery and should not be feared but anticipated. "*

Hope that helps. Good luck!

Thanks again, DrDeth. Nicotinic receptors in the digestive system make the most sense in explaining the after eating craving, and also goes a long way to explaining the lower GI cramping I had for a few days after quitting.

Apparently enough for smokers to crave another nicotine fix.

Note that a pack-a-day smoker is getting their nicotine fix once every 48 minutes, on average. A two-pack-a-day smoker needs a fix every 24 minutes. I’ve worked with a lot of people who can barely make it thru a 1 hour meeting without showing withdrawal sympthoms.