Nina the Cat: Small, but Mighty (has pix)

We have a new cat!

The boychik really wanted a black cat, and since I’ve kinda wanted another cat too, for Chanukah, we went to the shelter and adopted Selina Kyle Maccaby, Nina for short (or Ninotchka, for very short, and also because I love Greta Garbo, but not her name enough to call a cat Greta). The shelter originally tagged her Bridget, but I don’t particularly like that name, and it didn’t fit her very well, so we changed it right away.

She is “about 4,” and if she’d been called Bridget her whole life, we would have kept it, but she was a stray taken off the street, and the people in the shelter had given her “Bridget.” She already responds to Nina.

photo 1

photo 2

Apologies that the photos are not better-- she is camera shy-- in fact, the one in the cat tree, I think she is actually saying “Get that thing out of my face!” The brown patch on her side in one pic is where she was shaved for her spay.

I wanted to post, though, because she is really small, and I wanted to ask-- Has anyone ever seen an adult cat this small that was healthy?

She seems very healthy-- plenty of energy, good appetite, alert, affectionate. She is definitely not a kitten, though. She is young-- they aged her about 4 at the shelter, and her teeth are pearly-white, like they are new, but they are all adult teeth. She came through her spay very easily, never seemed to be in pain at all, which is more like a very young cat, but still not necessarily one that is not full grown. While she has lots of energy, she does not play like a kitten-- she’s not crazy, attacking everything that moves, and some things that don’t, and doesn’t get wound up from being pet.

However, she is the size of a most cats I’ve had when they were about 6 - 8 months old-- maybe even younger for the boy cats when were fixed very young.

When we first looked at her, she was skinny too, very skinny, and the shelter had her on appetite stimulants. her waist below her ribs was sunken in, and her hip bones stuck out-- you could feel every rib. We took a chance on her, though, because her exam was good, she was extremely friendly and affectionate, and she had been on the streets during a recent bitter cold snap, so we thought she might have stayed sheltered instead of looking for food.

There’s one other thing, though-- she has a very loud voice, and is VERY talkative. The only cats I’ve had like this before have been Siamese, or half Siamese. So I’m wondering if she is part some related breed, since some of those breeds are very thin, and small.

So, has anybody ever had experience with Oriental Shorthairs, Burmneses, or other non-Siamese Oriental breeds? Are they as vocal as Siameses? I knew someone with a Himalayan, and it was loud, and someone with a reaaaallly thin Oriental Shorthair, and that’s about it for my experience.

I’m wondering if that could explain her being small, but healthy.

Once we got her home, she started inhaling food. She gets canned food twice a day, in small servings, with some CatSip mixed in; she finishes that each in one sitting. She has free access to a bowl of regular food, which has to be topped off a couple of times a day, and twice a day she gets a tablespoon of dry kitten food, and that is like crack to her.

She weighed about 5.5lbs on arrival-- I don’t know how much she weighs now, because she’s too small for my people scale, and too big for my food scale, but her hips no longer stick out, so I feel safe guessing she’s up to 6lbs, and that she’s could top out at 6.5 - 7lbs. Everything I’ve read says that 6lbs is about the lowest healthy weight for an adult cat-- that smaller cats probably have a growth deficiency that can lead to other problems.

Any thoughts and opinions, especially from anyone with experience with a small cat, or small breed, is appreciated.

She has a vet appointment that is a courtesy follow up from her spay, but not until the 20, because they didn’t have anything free until then. I’ll get a good weight on her then, but up until, it’s just guessing.

Oh-- good litterbox action, if you take my meaning.

Here is the first image directly:

And the second:


@RivkahChaya: You can post the visible pic itself into the thread as I did, not a blind link to a page that contains the pic as you did. The not-so-secret is to go to the page with the pic, then right-click the pic and select “open image in new tab” or similar. The exact terminology varies by browser.

That will give you a new browser tab that is showing just the pic without the rest of the hosting page. Now copy that tab’s url and paste it in raw form onto a line by itself with absolutely nothing else. No spaces in front or back; just like this:
https://i.postimg.cc/x1WN9nLG/nina1.jpg

Capish?

What a cutie! :heart: :100: :kiss:

What a beautiful cat, and she already looks quite happy to be home! That little starburst of white on her chest is too cute.

If she’s been on the streets and not spayed, my guess is that she’s had multiple litters of kittens, and it probably started when she was 6-8 months old. Having a litter is rough on the mother and really takes everything out of her. It would explain her small size - she just couldn’t get enough calories in to continue her own growth while reproducing.

When I was looking for my second cat, I spent quite a bit of time talking with a woman who ran a cat rescue. She said almost all of her females that she catches or has brought in that are over a year old are usually smaller due to this, but don’t seem to suffer any long term harm.

Congrats on the newest addition!

A friend of mine has a black cat that is very, very small. Not a health issue, just runt of the litter. When I met her I asked if she was going to get any bigger, because she looked to be the size of a large kitten. But that’s as big as she’s going to get, and she’s perfectly healthy.

As for voices, I had a grey cat some years ago that was really vocal and loud (purred very loud too). I suspected she might be part Burmese or something, but the vet said she was probably just a mutt. Some cats just have a lot to say and shout it out loud.

Holiday is another adult cat in a kitten-sized body; very healthy except her teeth. The initial medical evaluation done by the rescue group which trapped her set her age at three years but a subsequent evaluation by Lost Dog & Cat Rescue decided she’s really 6.

We adopted a cat, Mario, about 8 months ago. He is also black, and small. They aged him to about 4 years old. He was about 8 pounds when we got him, and quite scrawny from being on the streets. We’ve managed to fatten him up a bit, so now he looks like a normal, but small, cat. To echo everyone else, it’s not an issue, he’s perfectly healthy.

He was fixed shortly before we got him. Since he reached full maturity with his jewels intact, he has a deep, guttural voice, which is funny coming from such a little dude. And he likes to talk. A lot.

I had a little black cat like that. She was about the size of a typical 9-month old kitten most of her life. Alas, she did have a heart condition that shortened her life, but that was just bad luck, I don’t think her size was a factor.

My roommate who moved out last year had a cat that was even smaller, a muted calico, and she lived about 13 years. She got a bit fat for several years, after she was spayed, but slimmed down a lot in her later years. She was maybe the size of a typical 6-month old kitten, barely a handful for me.

Thanks to everyone who has responded so far. Yes, Nina settled in pretty well, which is to say she claimed ownership of all she could see. She loves that cat tree, which has known a number of cats, but is just hers right now.

Is there anyone who knows anything at all about Oriental cat breeds? Other than Siameses, I am clueless, but even while being small, this cat has a loud voice, and a very long body and tail. She doesn’t have the goofy ears and nose, but I have seen Oriental Shorthairs with apple heads. her voice isn’t just loud-- it has a lot of different tones and nuances, and reminds of the Siameses I’ve had, as opposed to the just loud other cats I’ve occasionally had,.

I never thought about her having had litters, but honestly I don’t think she’s been on the streets for four years. She didn’t have parasites when found, and was skinny, but otherwise healthy-- no symptoms of any vitamin deficiencies, nor anything.

She was very friendly. I think she’s been around people before-- possibly abandoned

At any rate, she has a home now

How small is “this small”? – oh, further in the post, you think that once no longer starving she’ll be something over 6 lbs. Yeah, that’s on the small end of normal, but it is within normal range.

I have known a cat small enough that visitors took her for a kitten, who ran a household containing multiple humans, other cats, and a boxer; and who lived into her 20’s.

She probably had no Siamese in her; she was an upstate NY barn cat (until she decided to move into the house.) It’s possible that Nina has some Siamese, though.

What do her nipples look like?

Female cats who have not had kittens usually have nipples that look like a tomcat’s nipples, quite small. A cat who has nursed a litter will usually have larger teats; the breast swelling goes down after the kittens are weaned but the nipples don’t shrink entirely back to their original size. I don’t know whether there are exceptions to this, though.

That’s what I thought-- her nipples are barely there-- they are like the cats I’ve had that were spayed before their first heat.

I will be interested to see what the vet says about her age when we have our appointment. Her teeth are so white, they practically glow in the dark-- they really look new to me-- albeit, they look like adult teeth. Maybe she is younger than 4. Her fur wasn’t very clean when I first saw her, and had a bit of that “old cat” look to it, but this has gone away entirely since her surgery heal, and she has the flexibility to groom herself properly. I wonder if she was holed up somewhere during the cold snap, where she couldn’t groom herself very well.

I also wonder if what happens to underweight women happens to underweight cats-- they lose their fertility because their levels of female hormones drop. Maybe she has been underweight long enough to be infertile.

Not to mention, the median age of a stray cat in the US is 2.5 years. 4 is ancient for a stray.

There’s just a lot of information that doesn’t seem to follow about her.

Starvation or malnutrition also affects coat condition. Hers may be improving not only due to her being able to clean herself better, but also due to having access to lots of quality food.

ETA:

That’s a median, though. An awful lot of them don’t survive their first year; so some are going to be significantly older than two and a half.

Nina is a good name.
But for a black cat, adopted on Chanukah,how about a Hebrew name?: Lilah.
It means “night”.

(it is often transliterated as laila, but Lilah seems a more logical spelling)

We tried that. Didn’t work, for some reason. She needed something more badass.

It wasn’t the mean age, it was the median-- the mean was actually lower due to so many kittens not making it, albeit, IIRC, the mode was a little higher. Not sure what city it was for, but it was a US city. Of course, those were all estimates, based partly on what strays ought to be able to produce, and what the actual count was.

It was a counter-argument for some paper on pet cats being “unnatural”; the argument was that a 16-year mean difference in life expectancy between street cats and house cats spoke a lot to what was natural. Not to mention that a street cat rarely died “naturally.”

I read the title as Ninja.

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Which would mean that half of them got older than that, no?

Yes, but not necessarily as much older as the younger ones were younger.

I had a tortie who lived to 15.5 who never weighed more than 7.5lbs. Healthy and great teeth until the final months when cancer symptoms started.

The other cat that we had at the same time was also in the small side, but closer to 9lbs. Generally healthy but awful teeth (we had many removed) and she lived to about 14 (exact age unknown, also a very rapid decline likely cancer).

On the other end of the spectrum, we had an orange boy who probably weighed 18-19 lbs at his peak. He died young though, at 5.5. Three guesses as to the cause.

Our two now are in the 12-15lb range. I think. The bigger one seems particularly dense (in all senses of the word) so it might be more.

You can weigh a cat on a human scale by difference: weigh yourself+cat then let the cat go and weigh yourself. The difference is the weight of the cat.