Yes, the Bush administration, on the other hand is completely unbiased and honest.
I can’t figure out how to do the smilies, but imagine the sarcastic face right here.
OK, I guess by your lights, I’m an expert. I worked less than a half-mile from WTC. My girlfriend actually worked in WTC, and was in the lobby at the time of the attacks.
I’ve been present in a war zone, seen it up close, and oh Christ, the smell - all of us in lower Manhattan smelled that horrible, nauseating, frightening smell for MONTHS after 9/11.
So, speaking as a expert, let me say – fuck you.
Sua
for someone who’s a self-described cynic, you sure give Iraq the benefit of the doubt a lot. And The CIA did not say that “Iraq is not a threat”- however they have said that Iraq could have nuclear weapons within a year and they are still actively working on weapons of mass destruction.
And your IISS cite says that Iraq could have a nuclear device within months with outside help. Kinda weaselly to claim that they’re “years away” without mentioning that pertinent fact.
Wanna provide a reliable source for those death toll #'s or do you think that Frontline and PBS are in on the war-mongering?
So we’re only allowed to go war if there’s 100% certainty that absolutely no civilans are going to be killed? Yeah I’m pretty sure no one will take advantage of that situation.
<US Pres> We will not harm civilians.
<Tyrant> Ex-squeeze me?
<US Pres> You heard me…
<Tyrant> busily bolting civilians to his tanks CHARRRRRGE!!!
<US Pres> Hey no fair! You must play by our rules!
<Tyrant> I’m sorry I can’t hear you over the sounds of glorious victory!
Nobody’s talking about the Bush administration. We’re talking about the relative values of the two sources that were provided on Iraqi deaths during the Gulf War.
Did you not even read your own link? One of the articles on that thread has high casualties listed as gospel. ALL THE REST of the articles utterly refute that claim, point-by-point, with references to primary material. Why on earth do you believe the first one?
I’m done with this thread. it’s pointless. have fun killing babies. fuck you all.
Geez D_t_C…Take my advice will ya?
I see a stroke in your future.
So you admit that you were using biased, self-conflicting, and probably highly inaccurate figures?
Good.
Bye.
Diogenes -
Killing babies isn’t nearly as much fun as handing you your ass in bite-sized chunks.
Are you sure you can’t be lured back?
Regards,
Shodan
DtC,
We’re not flaming you for being a pacifist, we’re flaming you for being an incredibly stupid pacifist who’s making flawed arguments and trying to back them up with biased cites while not addressing counterarguments.
Let me see, what am I going to believe here: On one side, we have a cite from you, which comes from something called “Campaign Against Sanctions in Iraq.” On the other side, we have a cite from Mojo, which comes from PBS and Frontline. Gee. Lemme think on that for a while.
Also, let me nitpick that Iraq does have WMD. They have chem and bio weapons, along with delivery vehicles. Here’s some info from the ISS cite you provided:
I dunno about you, but to me the ISS, while claiming to be impartial (a good thing), is leaning pretty heavily towards spelling out “Get Rid Of Saddam” in between the lines (an even better thing, IMO).
Finally, can I have a cite for your claim that the CIA says Iraq is not a threat?
Hey hey now…remember - only the brown babies guys, OK? ::rolleyes::
And DtC: make sure you don’t post in any threads on communism, because you’ve never SMELLED it before.
You know, “No! You’re wrong! I’m not listening!” didn’t work as a debate tactic when I was 6 years old either, but at least then I didn’t know any better.
Killing babies?!?! You’re truly one insane fool, D.
First off: The US doesn’t intentionally target babies.
Second: You are not an expert.
Third: Others of us on this board have served in war zones.
Fourth: Big whoop.
This is the same CIA that failed to predict the collapse of the USSR and failed to anticipate the various attacks on the US by Bin Laden. Given the scale of some of these events, you expect the CIA to get this one right??? Oh, come on! As a friend of mine who’s father worked for the Defense Department during the Kennedy years once said, “The CIA is where all the fuck ups who can’t get a job in the NSA go.”
You claim to have served in the Persian Gulf War, yet you make no mention of your branch of service, nor where your combat duty was. I call “bullshit” on you. None of the hundreds of vets I’ve spoken to over the years have shown the craven attitude you display here. Even those who’ve become pacifists because of their experiences in war conducted themselves in more a dignified manner than you. You, sir, are a charlatan and a fraud. You’re no more a veteran than I am, and are a disgrace to civilians with your hysterical ravings. Your false claims to being a combat vet are an insult to those who’ve served honorably in the armed forces, and I for one, hope that you apologize to them for attempting to soil them with your name.
Actually, it is (it had been archived).
Not that I’m vouching for it. I couldn’t be bothered to track down the source for it, as the US News & World Report article was written 4/1/91 (i.e. before any real figures could have been known).
SPOOFE calls bullshit, Gary. By the time I responded, the ENTIRETY of Diogenes’ comments consisted solely of “Iraqi civilians are not legitimate targets either, but that doesn’t seem to bother us much.” Please learn how to read before posting.
FTR, Tuckerfan, I don’t think he ever claimed to be a combatant.
Well, thess statements by him:
And this comment from the linked thread:
Certainly imply that Dipstick_the_Constipated saw some combat. Though my understanding is that the combat most foot soldiers saw during the war consisted mainly of watching the Iraqis beating a path back home or surrendering en masse.
Aha, Bromley, good catch. The link to fair.org from Diogenes’ link ended in .htm, while the valid link (yours) ends in .html.
Just giving him the benefit of the doubt, Tucker. The phrasing of his statements looked to me as if he were trying to avoid the impression that he was actually a combatant. Note that he doesn’t say he was a soldier, merely that he was there. I agree that it gives the impression he’d been involved in combat, but he doesn’t actually say it.
He could have been in Iraq for any number of reasons unconnected to the military, and been caught in the wrong place, detained by or sympathized with the Iraqis, whatever.
I don’t know the full story, so I was taking him at his word to that extent. It doesn’t really matter, after all. It still doesn’t mean Americans have a penchant for sauteed baby flesh.
:eek::mad::rolleyes::mad::rolleyes::mad: and repeat that 6.02 ×10²³ times.
Don’t you fucking dare accuse me of this you empty-headed piece of shit. God damn shit fuck ass bitch fuck damn fuck buttfucking batshit assbrains goatblowing son of a fuck fuck shit piss ass jag-off shitfucking assclown. You’ve made me so made I can’t even swear properly!
Go fuck yourself with a coral snake, asscheese.