Left_Hand_of_Dorkness:
Gosh–sorry, I forgot that an idiot might enter this conversation, so I assumed everyone would realize I was talking about in the US, given that it was a US election. I’ll know better for next time!
Wow, you a witty!!! Good for you!!!
I actually wanted to say “I don’t like using it but this is a first-world problem…”
Gyrate
November 14, 2016, 12:22am
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I don’t, at the moment.
Not nearly as funny as you.
My point wasn’t that America is fascist, but rather that under certain conditions a significant percentage of the population would be just fine with it being so. This is true. Sad but true.
His values as expressed in his campaign are akin to those of fascists and Nazis. Whether he’ll get to implement them, we’ll just have to wait and see. We’ll see how much he respects the courts, and freedom of the press. We’ll see how he protects minorities, the sick, and the vulnerable.
SteveG1
November 14, 2016, 3:14am
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Ludovic:
But people these days equate Fascism with authoritarian, nationalistic bigotry . For instance, when the Nazis registered the Jews. So in order to be truly similar to fascism, Trump would have to support something like registering the Muslims.
He already supports that, it was a campaign promise. Register all Muslims and make a HUUUUUUUUUGE database to track them.
Or has that bit of history been re-written already?
SteveG1
November 14, 2016, 3:19am
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http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/11/20/donald-trump-says-hed-absolutely-require-muslims-to-register/?_r=0
Donald Trump Says He’d ‘Absolutely’ Require Muslims to Register
NEWTON, Iowa — Donald J. Trump, who earlier in the week said he was open to requiring Muslims in the United States to register in a database, said on Thursday night that he “would certainly implement that — absolutely.”
Mr. Trump was asked about the issue by an NBC News reporter and pressed on whether all Muslims in the country would be forced to register. “They have to be,” he said. “They have to be.’’
When asked how a system of registering Muslims would be carried out — whether, for instance, mosques would be where people could register — Mr. Trump said: “Different places. You sign up at different places. But it’s all about management. Our country has no management.’’
Asked later, as he signed autographs, how such a database would be different from Jews having to register in Nazi Germany, Mr. Trump repeatedly said, “You tell me,” until he stopped responding to the question.
Both Mr. Trump and Ben Carson, the top two Republican presidential candidates in most polls, have made sharply provocative remarks about Muslim refugees from Syria and Iraq, and have been criticized by Muslim groups in the United States.
On Thursday, Mr. Carson seemed to equate refugees’ seeking entrance to the United States to “a rabid dog running around your neighborhood.’’
NEWTON, Iowa — Donald Trump “would certainly implement” a database system tracking Muslims in the United States, the Republican front-runner told NBC News on Thursday night.
“I would certainly implement that. Absolutely,” Trump said in Newton, Iowa, in between campaign town halls.
“There should be a lot of systems, beyond databases,” he added. “We should have a lot of systems.”
When asked whether Muslims would be legally obligated to sign into the database, Trump responded, “They have to be — they have to be.”
On Friday morning, Trump rival Jeb Bush called the comments “just wrong.”
“You talk about internment, you talk about closing mosques, you talk about registering people. That’s just wrong. I don’t care about campaigns,” he said on CNBC. “It’s not a question of toughness. It’s to manipulate people’s angst and their fears. That’s not strength, that’s weakness.”
SteveG1
November 14, 2016, 3:21am
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Ludovic:
Supporting a ban on Muslims entering the country would help as well. And yet, Trump hasn’t supported either of these policies, so therefore, he isn’t a Fascist. I mean, if I he did , then he’d be a fascist, but I have full agreement with the OP’s premise.
He sure HAS supported that. And MORE, including torture, and “going after” the families of suspects. WTF.
You think he has any idea, even the least clue, why radical Islamic terrorists are so thrilled with his election? He is a gift for them, manna from Hell. He is exactly what they are selling, he makes their points for them, without them even opening their mouths. I got a nickel says that Trump could tell you everything he knows about Islam in one minute flat, and include five or six other things he thinks he knows that just ain’t so.
And when he has succeeded in making just about every reasonable Muslim in the world into our sworn enemy, he will stand there and say “See? See how they hate us? I told you so.”
I say any Americans who genuinely believe he’s going to be Hitler…are fucking cowards if they don’t do something about it.
OH…I’m sorry…was that analogy really just hyperbole? Then STFU. Just like all these celebrities saying, “Oh…I didn’t really mean it when I said I’d move out of the USA.” Fucking cowards. And unike 95% of Americans you actually have the means to do so.
and no “Trump is not my guy”
Ludovic
November 14, 2016, 10:22am
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Ludovic:
But people these days equate Fascism with authoritarian, nationalistic bigotry . For instance, when the Nazis registered the Jews. So in order to be truly similar to fascism, Trump would have to support something like registering the Muslims.
Ludovic:
Supporting a ban on Muslims entering the country would help as well. And yet, Trump hasn’t supported either of these policies, so therefore, he isn’t a Fascist. I mean, if I he did , then he’d be a fascist, but I have full agreement with the OP’s premise.
SteveG1:
He already supports that, it was a campaign promise. Register all Muslims and make a HUUUUUUUUUGE database to track them.
Or has that bit of history been re-written already?
He also supports purchasing aircraft as long as they make a nice noise when they fly overhead.
DerekMichaels00:
A lot of people have and continue to compare Trump to Hitler, saying that fascism has come, etc. This is hyperbole at its worst, now that he is the POTUS elect. In a campaign, its more acceptable to make crazy comparisons (even tho I wish both the right and left would stop it), but now that he’ll be in office in 2 months and the transition has begun, lets go thru history of fascist/totalitarian societies, and why Trump is highly HIGHLY unlike to make us into one:
Germany had legitimate representative democracy for a grand total of 15 years before Hitler took power. Before 1918, Germany was a non-democratic monarchy in all its forms for 1000+ years. Basically, Weimar was bound to fail and its citizens, bureaucrats were unsteeped in democratic heritage. Before the Kaiser Empire, it was the Holy Roman Empire for a while too, and Charlemagne (he was actually German, not French) was no democrat and neither were his precedessors or successors. The Weimar Constitution could easily be suspended, as Hitler made happen.
France: went fascist after the German invasion, tho there was enough popular support and collaborationism in Vichy France to keep the Vichy-Nazi alliance going. There was also clearly enough support for fascism that it further facilitated the Holocaust. France had only had democracy for 70 years before Petain. France had also had a history of (near)absolute monarchs before democracy.
Italy: also a monarchy, the shortly a democracy, before a Mussolini state.
Spain: never democratic before Franco, and almost reverted to monarchy after Franco but for Juan Carlos II, likely prodded by NATO.
Russia: Aside from 9 years of Yeltsin, no history of democracy. Even during Yeltsin, still wasn’t much of a real democracy. Was run then, and still run by KGB/USSR vets.
I could go on.No, Donald Trump Isn't Hitler | HuffPost Latest News https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/09/13/dont-compare-donald-trump-to-adolf-hitler-it-belittles-hitler/
Doesn’t it bother you that the KKK and NeoNazi organizations Are among Trump’s most consistent6 supporters?
I don’t think that we’re going to devolve into fascism but we are going to take a step in that direction and a few more elections cycles with Trump type wins and we are in danger of fascism. We can reverse that 250 year history of democracy with 10 years of fascist wannabes.