I was riffing on the old meme that such & such a game is doomed because … reasons. Plus all you’re doing here at this point is crying “doom”.
You say “because reasons” like I haven’t detailed dozens or or linked to hundreds of reasons in this thread and I’m just sort of vaguely predicting doom. Game is out. Game lost over 99% of its players. Mass refunds. Suspiciously silent on community interactions. Huge disappointment. I’m not some dude predicting unspecified failure. The failure has already happened and been massive. “Doom” may have been what I was saying 2 months ago. Now it’s a smoking ruin.
Today I posted because I saw the twitter thing on reddit. Having a game like this go silent when they really need to be out there promising people improvements is pretty significant. It seems likely that they’re just taking the money and running.
I think there’s more substance to SenorBeef’s post than just crying “doom.” It is very odd for social media activity to have apparently halted so quickly after release. I’ve never seen that before.
NMS is more and more a cautionary tale.
Far enough on both counts. So it’s the town crier standing in the smoking ruin crying, “Told you so! Told you so!”
I don’t think I’ve said anything like “told you so” at any point during this thread. I think what I’ve been saying is something more like “Okay, can we use this as a lesson to please stop preordering overhyped games without seeing if they’re any good or not so that publishers have an incentive to deliver a quality product again?”
That’s not fair at all, Senorbeef!
[spoiler]Doom was well-received and apparently a solid hit for the year.
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Doom? Never heard of it. Was that some sort of DOS port of Marathon, or something?
Is it alright if we pre-order underhyped games? 
I once spent nearly twice as much on a special edition of a very well reviewed naval combat sim. Damn thing wouldn’t even install.
NMS is really not that big of a deal.
I’m with you on this one. I have never pre-ordered a game in my life, even when I was a fanatical gamer in my 20’s. I’m fine with waiting a week or two after release (or even longer). And for any really big game there is pretty much always a retailer with physical copies on release day if you hunt around, so why pre-order?
And ok SenorBeef, I’m starting to believe you that they had dishonest intentions. I’ll probably still buy this when it drops in price because it seems like it’s at least good for 10-20 hours of chill out exploring and going “ohhhhhhhhh” at the pretty graphics.
IMHO your continued participation in this thread to keep pointing out low player numbers is effectively “I told you so”.
I haven’t taken any of what you’re saing as “Okay, can we use this as a lesson to please stop preordering overhyped games without seeing if they’re any good or not so that publishers have an incentive to deliver a quality product again?,” BTW.
I’ve read it as “This game - which I haven’t even played - has failed to live up to the expectations I’ve decided it should and I want it to fail, and am pleased that by the metric I have set for failure, it appears to have indeed failed.”
IMHO you care far too much about a game you haven’t played and haven’t (at least that I’ve seen) indicated you are likely to play anytime in the near future. It’s time to stop carrying on about it and look towards something positive in gaming. There’s some awesome stuff coming out in the next month or so; why not start looking forward to some of that instead?
^what Martini said.
To be fair, it’s not like SenorBeef has been a lone voice in the wilderness. I really wanted to like No Man’s Sky, I’ve been waiting for it for a while but, due to the £60 price tag, I held off until launch, and I’m really glad I did. And it’s not like Hello Games have been falling over themselves to explain since the launch, Here’s a piece by PC Gamer, which gives the game 64% in it’s review this issue, about what’s happened since launch.
Those saying that we should concentrate on positive things about gaming is all very well, but this is the No Man’s Sky thread, where else are we going to talk about it?
I agree. SenorBeef is right to call out NMS and its developers, not to mention Sony Entertainment. This has been a royal fiasco, exposing a very real problem.
And I don’t blame them for not hyping any new upgrades they may have planned. Hyping the game now is the last thing they should do. If they do manage to improve the game, release it quietly and let player word of mouth spread it around.
If you want a thread where nobody is complaining about the poor gameplay, you can always go here.
Touché!
Is this supposed to be a defense of the game? “It’s not a bad as a game I paid twice for and didn’t work”?
Are you conceding it’s a failure now, just not the biggest failure you’ve personally ever experienced? If so, why do you feel compelled to defend it?
I mean… you haven’t taken anything I’ve been saying that way?
How about here, where I pretty much lay out exactly what my interest in this whole thing is?
I’ve made similar posts at least 5 or 6 times. But that one pretty much lays it out.
You sure are fixated on the idea that I haven’t played it. You called me an entitled whiner here:
And I will say this: you have personally insulted me in this thread to a much greater degree than I’ve personally insulted anyone else. I have been talking about the game in terms of its specific failures, the marketing in terms of specific lies, and my hopes that this can be used as a lesson to better gaming in the future. I haven’t been using this as a platform to call other people losers. I’ve spoken in the general, rather than going personal. And yet you have personally attacked me with petty insults which you can’t even justify or back up, and you somehow think you’re the mature adult in this situation.
I challenged you to back up your words by addressing my actual arguments:
…which you failed to do.
But now you’re barking up that “you’ve never played!” tree again. Who cares? What would I find out if I played the game that I don’t know now? I’ve watched the gameplay on a stream, I’ve read lots about the gameplay from people who’ve actually played it, I’ve read reviews. I’ve linked to detailed lists of lies and missing features from people who have played the game.
Also, the idea that I had to make up an arbitrary set of expectations to declare it a failure is laughable. The game lost players faster than any game I’ve ever seen, and I’m a guy who has seen a lot. At the time of this writing, it’s 159th on player count on steam after launching at like the #5 all time. I’ve never seen a game tank like this. Mass refunds, mass negative reviews, mass disappointment… the game lost 90% of its player base in a week. 99% in a month. That’s unprecedented for a huge new release. That may be unprecedented for broken, fraudulent games like The War Z even. On steam, the 13,000 reviews made in the last 30 days are 11% positive, 89% negative. That’s an extreme result. By anyone’s account the game has been a massive failure with massive backlash, so the idea that it’s only people who are hyper-critical who come up with arbitrary reasons to declare the game a failure who say it failed is pretty silly.
You got a retention problem?
Again: I spent 33 hours having fun in the game and am waiting to see what the developer does with it. If nothing happens, I still had fun for 33 hours. Some people in this very thread paid as much (or more) for other titles, didn’t play nearly as long, and are stuck with them. To us, the prospect of this game remaining in its current state is obviously not that big of a deal.
YMOV
I think that’s the question people are asking of you. You haven’t played the game, have no intention of playing the game, and yet spend an inordinate amount of time “educating” yourself about it via various proxies, apparently just so you can come to this thread and tell anybody that liked it that they’re wrong, and that they shouldn’t have pre-ordered because you don’t like the practice of pre-ordering (which also doesn’t affect you at all, since you didn’t).
You’re posting more text and more frequently than anybody else in this thread. You’ve literally drowned out any discussion about the game itself for this crusade. What makes this such a compulsion?