Before I worked in the porn stores, I had two seperate experiences with old men wanting to date me. Both offered to be a “sugar daddy” in exchange for sexual favors and travel partners. After working in porn retail, I had me an old man stalker shudder but that’s a whole other post!
I wanted to throw up in their face each time… I mean, it goes against my very nature to be someone’s sex toy for money and gifts. One may argue that by example a “girlfriend” does much the same thing but in my personal case, I beg to differ. I buy my hunny gifts and take him out on the town just as much as he does for me. I sleep with him because I love him and we share a very affectionate/loving/sexual bond that has nothing to do with money or being a trophy. I hate this behavior in those people (men AND women) that think they are God’s gift to all humanity and why the hell shouldn’t someone be their toy?!
Old men still think with their dicks, fact of life, but it doesn’t make it right. I find it a sorry and sick excuse for a man to behave this way, and I hope he is punished for it!
the fuel vendors at the strip - public or private entities?
If private, can they refuse/limit service to asshole?
“Gee, gramps, we sure like you, and hope you can find someone else to sell you fuel, otherwise, you’ll have to make your next flight a one-way to your new base”
And I know an IA is not required to sign-off an annual…
Does the hangar lease HAVE to be re-newed?
All things to be discussed in front of the moron…
As to traffic, the tower/unicom folks are obliged to serve him - just to keep him from running into some innocent party.
What I don’t understand is why the young women have not made it quite clear (as in implicit violence) that he is not welcome.
Can all the guys do something like band together and have a talk with gramps? Maybe pick out several of the largest types, add the deputies and lawyers, and be like,
“These girls are good kids. We know what you’ve been doing to them and it’s going to stop or (various vague intimations about harm that could befall gramps).”
Can all the guys do something like band together and have a talk with gramps? Maybe pick out several of the largest types, add the deputies and lawyers, and be like,
“These girls are good kids. We know what you’ve been doing to them and it’s going to stop or (various vague intimations about harm that could befall gramps).”
This was my thought also. Doesn’t even have to be hidden, just a camcorder sitting on a filing cabinet in the corner; he’ll never see it. Then when he’s confronted about his assholish behavior, the interviewer (whoever it is) can get his side of the story, i.e. his ridiculous lies, and then when he’s done, play the tape back to demonstrate just how full of shit everybody knows he is. “Now, here’s the deal. You are going to behave like a human being. Otherwise we will invite various people to come look at this tape. That could be the authorities. It could be your wife. That is not an exhaustive list of the possibilities. Also, we’re not asking you to take your business elsewhere, because all we’d be doing is pawning off the oozing pustule of your personality onto somebody else. We want you right here where we can keep an eye on you and make sure you aren’t being a ephebophiliac blowhole. Capisce?”
What happened to these girls happened to me several times when I was in my early 20’s. Thanks for the extra insight, I think. Broomstick, I sincerely hope these young women have more self-esteem than I did in those days (it’d be hard not to), but please do make sure that they know the family’s behind them.
Sadly, I’ve got to agree with Lynn Bodoni. There are simply some guys out there who appear to be incabable of understanding that a woman they are interested in may not be insterested in them or that the more the push the issue, the less attractive and more obnxious they become.
I’d go for denial of service and legal action. That and a loud, public, “What part of “NO” do you not understand?!” Note: the young ladies should not under any circumstances, include the syllable “fuck” in this statement, because if they do, it sounds like it’s the only word the guy will respond to, as in “Blah blah blah fuck blah blah!” means “I want to fuck you now!”
That, or if you need an alibi or an accomplice, e-mail me!
CJ
Does anybody else find it at all ironic that most of these guys offering to help are probably just looking to score themselves?
I mean, come on; a lawyer offering FREE counsel?
There was also the stereotype of the cad who wouldn’t leave a woman alone until the hero rescued her. Not to mention the dirty old man in pursuit of a young girl stereotype. Niether of which was portrayed as a good thing to be.
I suspect the reason she puts up with it is that if they divorce there would be no money left for either of them to fly, and there’s no way to split their airplane down the middle (she’s a pilot, too)
No. It is a public-use facility funded in part by federal dollars. As such, no one can be barred unless they pose a safety hazard (in which case it’s most likely they’ll be hauled off by the authorities)
That’s allowable.
That’s not allowable. Also might pose a safety hazard to others. Also, he’s not the sole owner of the airplane, so the other owners are entitled to service.
When the lease is up on the hangar there’s the option to boot him - except, as I pointed out, he is not the sole owner of that airplane and it would mean booting other customers (not that any of them are particularly wonderful folks, but they haven’t done anything wrong). You can’t ban anyone from landing at an airport, and banning a take-off requires an extraordinary set of circumstances so rare as to not be worthy of consideration.
I quite understand.
He has been verbally informed of this multiple times, usually in the form of something like “You’re a lying sack of shit, Asshole, you leave those girls alone you fucked-up bastard.” (yes, language exactly like that has been used) The pilots, lineguys, mechanics, laywers, sheriff deputies, and airport management have already sided with the girls over him. He is now slandering their staunchest defenders. This is not winning him any points. Pretty much all the other interventions you suggested have been done over the past two weeks since the dam broke. He’s just getting shriller in his protests.
There are plenty of old men down at the airport “thinking with their dicks” (and they’ll be the first to admit it) but they nonetheless manage to be gentlemen and understand the concept of “no”. Not a valid excuse.
Private - but it doesn’t matter, he can buy gas elsewhere. In fact, most folks are flying to Starke County for gas right now because it’s almost a buck cheaper a gallon than in the Chicago area.
Well, I’m pretty sure Dad the Mechanic will not be doing any work on Asshole’s airplane…
No. But since it is a lease there are obligations until it runs out.
Because they’re young and neither has a mean bone in her body.
It’s not a matter of self-confidence - they both protested to their employer, as was right and proper, despite Asshole Gramps’ implied threats. They are very poised, self-confident young women. But they aren’t mean. They took the action they felt appropriate and were comfortable with.
Me - I’ve got a mean streak. Which is exactly why this bully doesn’t give me shit. He knows I won’t take it for an instant. He thought these girls would suffer in silence. He was wrong.
In the case of aviation, yes, you are under some obligation. You can’t keep anyone out of a public use airport. Denying services such as fuel or needed maintenance can pose a safety hazard not only to Asshole but to possible innocent parties in or in the vicinity of him and his airplane. (If he runs out of fuel because we wouldn’t sell him any and he take off, then runs out of gas, he might fall on someone’s house)
Well, that might work IF we had some “largest types” to work with. As a general rule pilots aren’t really big people - cockpits tend to be small. Hell, I’m taller than about 1/3 of the men down there and I’m only 5’3" (Asshole Gramps is about 5’6" or 5’8")
OK, problem is, he sees nothing wrong with this. He has doesn’t care if there are witnesses - he thinks he soooo fucking hot and cool. He brags about how young girls want to fuck him. He hits on women in front of God and everyone then struts over his studly behavior. If you made a video tape he’d proabaly ask for a copy for his own personal amusement.
The authorities know about this - he’s done it in front of at least one deputy. He doesn’t give a fuck about his wife - she knows about this (says something about her that she doesn’t dump his ass or protest). His response to confrontation? “You’re just jealous you can’t get laid”
As I said - I’m not overly worried about the girls. They’ll get physical protection AND emotional support from the airport crowd. As much as I despise Asshole Gramps, however, I can’t condone beating the living snot out of him, however much he deserves it. It’s base purely on moral/ethical grounds. Also, we do have heavy, dangerous equipment moving about the place at high speeds. It’s important that emotions be kept under control so as not to contribute to distractions and hazards.
Not an issue. The girls have certainly heard the word, but we’re talking about sweeties who barely say “heck” or “darn”. They’re both quite aware of what’s up with this guy and are conducting themselves with exquisitely appropriate behavior while on the job (and have been, since day one).
Why is it inconceivable that men might defend women without seeking a sexual payoff? Do the men like looking at pert 18 and 19 year old college students working the front desk? Yes. Of course they do. Do they have sexual fantasies about them? I would expect so. But the difference is that a gentleman knows to keep his fantasies to himself, a man 20 or more years older than these girls knows it is HIGHLY unlikely they’d have any interest in him and his ego isn’t going to go into crisis over that fact, he also knows that if such a woman WAS interested in him there is likely something very peculiar about her or the situation, and, most importantly, they understand “No, I’m not interested” to mean exactly that.
It’s called pro bono work and there are lawyers who offer it. I should also point out that this gent has spent nearly 10K of his own money over the last year using his airplane to transport sick people to medical care because, despite being a lawyer, he’s also a fairly decent human being. Yes, he makes enough money to own and maintain a twin engine airplane. He could also be making ten times as much if he was willing to bend his ethics. As someone else pointed out, overall we have a pretty good crowd down at the home field. Even most of our lawyers are people you’d want to be seen with.
Too bad he can’t be banned from the airport, since if that were possible, that would be the most efficacious way of handling this. It does surprise me, though, to find that the managers have no authority to ban people for habitual misbehavior.
IANAL, but I think these young ladies can sue Asshole Gramps for sexual harassment if they get their ducks in a row. He’s not their employer, but he’s still creating a hostile work environment for them, and their employer apparently doesn’t have the latitude to prevent him from doing so.
If I’m right, what they’d need to do is document, as best they could, his comments and behaviors on specific dates, and start recording all future encounters with AG. A camcorder is nice, but a $5 audiocassette recorder from the thrift store will do pretty well too, and can be started with the push of a button.
Like I said, IANAL, so I’m counting on those who are to correct me if I’m wrong. It’s happened once or twice.
I’d first be tempted to make it so that the next time he arrived at his hanger, he’d discover that he no longer had a plane but a very expensive glider.
Next, I’d get all the outraged men together to go talk to him as a group. How could anyone have 20 or 30 men tell them they’re disgusted with his pervertish behaviour and not see at least a bit of light?
Shunning and refusing to respond to a bully almost always shuts the bully down. Might take awhile, but it has never failed to work for me.
And I think that we need to remind those girls that it is okay to say no firmly and directly, whenever they may find themselves in this kind of a situation. Saying no directly and firmly does not make you a bitch. Say it once, make it clear, and then ignore the man from then on out.
I like the camcorder idea too but don’t hide it. Use it’s blatently obvious display to your advantage. If he knows his actions are being recorded and prove he’s being a pervert and can be used against him, maybe that’ll keep his behaviour decent in the office.
Put the darn thing front and center with a giant disco ball shining behind it.
Are you sure? Like I said, IANAL, but this is simply telling someone that if he keeps on being a jerk, they will make sure that everyone sees just what a jerk he is. If they said, “pay us $1000, or we’ll let everyone know what a jerk you’ve been,” that would be extortion, to the best of my understanding. But I hardly think Cervaise’s suggestion qualifies.
Any lawyers passing through here, please correct me if I’m wrong. As always, I’m saying this is what this layman thinks the law is, but I’m quite aware that I have no credentials in the field.
Actually, I don’t know what Asshole Gramps does for a living, or if he has female employees.
And, in fact, he can be banned from the airport - but he has to do something more than simply be annoying. If he develops stalker-behavior (which a phone call to a girl’s home might be, but I don’t think just one time would convince a judge) a court order to keep him away might be possible. The thing is, a public airport IS a public area. It would be like banning someone from using a particular road or entering a particular city. It takes some legal work.
Which is why I’m really most concerned about guys who might >cough< take matters into their own hands. The girls - like I said, they spoke up, they’ve got protection and support. Asshole Gramps - I don’t think what he’s done up to now could earn a conviction - yet. But 3 or 4 guys having a “talk” with him out back of a hangar or outbuilding is just more bullying, and then THEY could be up for assault charges. Pilots, you see, tend to be action-oriented and even on the aggressive side, and they don’t hesistate to employ what they see as a solution to a problem. Mechanics, in general, also tend to be >ahem< “problem solvers” and a little rough around the edges at times. We’ve got a fair number of folks who overlap the two categories. (Ms. Giggles’s father, for instance, is one of our senior mechanics AND a flight instructor). Fortunately, pilots also tend to be reasonably intelligent folks with some common sense (aviation being extremely unforgiving of both ignorance and stupidity). So far, that sense and intelligence has kept the tempers under control but like I said before, I don’t want my friends to get into legal trouble over Asshole Gramps - he’s not worth it, really. But you can imagine the situation if Miss Giggles’ father, who works at the airport, walks in and finds Asshole Gramps hitting on his daughter. Hey, I would forgive the guy for taking a swing at Asshole.
lieu, tampering with an airplane is a felony. The maximum penality is extremely high. We’re trying to avoid legal problems, here.
ivylass, his wife knows. Apparently she doesn’t give a damn. Frankly, I don’t know her opinion. I don’t particularly like her and don’t care to know her better. Let’s just say she’s a match for Asshole.
