High bar you’ve got there.
:rolleyes:
There are 200 other guys in the NFL that fall into the same category. One is his teammate Champ Bailey, who is a 10 time Pro Bowler and a six time All Pro. I heard nothing about Champ Bailey after today’s game.
It isn’t Tebow’s fault. I admit to have very little regard for his cult following and I think he’s a medicore NFL quarterback, but I think he’s a good kid who isn’t to blame for the fanatics that follow him. It’s not like he’s pretending to be an evangelical to get the support of the unthinking masses. If I thought he was to blame for the hype (like say T.O. or OchoCinco), I’d join in condemning him, but I think he’s being true to himself (no matter how much I dislike it).
I agree. I don’t think Tebow is all that, and in baseball he’d probably be called “replacement player value”, but he’s not trying to grab the limelight. Earlier this year some Broncos fans put up a billboard encouraging the coach to start Tebow, and when Tebow was asked about it his response was in so many words “Tell them to take the sign down, Coach is going to start who’s best for the team.” This isn’t a guy on the depth chart crying “Start me or trade me.”
I don’t now if Tebow is going to be any good, but I’ve heard a lot of people on the internets (mostly on Fark.com and other low-rent places) say they’re absolutely sure he’ll fail. Of course these are mostly the same people who said Michael Vick couldn’t make a comeback, Cam Newton wasn’t fit to start as QB, Rex Grossman sucked (well, OK I suppose that last one is largely true), and if they’d been around when Tom Brady started playing they would have said he couldn’t make it either. There seems to be no metric as to who is going to be a good QB in the NFL and who won’t. Just ask Ryan Leaf.
I never said it was Tebow’s fault. He really seems like a likeable guy. It’s his freaking sycophants that drive me nuts. Booing Kyle Orton, putting up billboards in Denver, flooding every talk show with ridiculous praise, etc.
I wouldn’t blame him at all if he started cranking out books and licensing his likeness to Thomas Kinkaide to make incredibly cheesy paintings. Take the idiots money.
I agree with everything you said, except that. Leaf was an asshole with a piss poor work ethic who blamed everybody else. He missed mandatory meetings, got into fights with fans, and badmouthed his own teammates. That’s a metric.
I feel that way about Andrew Luck and he isn’t even in the fucking NFL yet.
At least not before his sixth concussion.
Look, Tebow is a genuinely nice guy, and he deserves most of the good things that come his way. He has a shit ton of fans because he’s good looking and interesting. It happens.
Talk to me when you move to Florida.
So is Danny Wuerffel. Tebow might be lots better than Danny Wuerffel, but he hasn’t actually done anything in the NFL yet.
He played an atrocious game today. On the other hand, when he starts losing, I’ll be perfectly happy to come out and say, “yeah, but he plays for the Broncos. It’s not his fault.”
I didn’t say he has. I do say he has done absolutely nothing to deserved being called “a despicable human being and a force of evil.”
For what it’s worth, I don’t think Tebow’s evil, just over-exposed. And:
Except for the “kid” part, the same could be said about MY favorite player, Troy Polamalu. Although he’ll fuck your shit up if you get in his way. 
Jeez. I’m an atheist, and I think religious people are delusional at best, but come on. He seems like a decent guy, and he has a right to express his opinions.
And no, I’m not a fan of his, or of the Broncos.
And now you’re going too far the other way. He seems like a decent guy, but neither you nor I know how sincere he is, and we certainly don’t know that religious belief keeps you from beating your wife or whatever. In some cases, fanatical religious belief is indeed responsible for despicable acts, such as denying children proper medical care.
I have no idea whether he is phony, sincere, or fanatical. And I can’t predict the future. I doubt that you differ from me in either respect.
True, though anyone who does a TV spot for Focus on the Family displays poor judgment at best (although the Super Bowl ad itself turned out to be pretty innocuous).
I know several people who knew him at UF, all of whom say he’s just as nice in person as he appears to be. Some of them are Gator boosters, so perhaps that should be taken with a grain of salt, but none of those people have had a problem saying which players were assholes.
No, you cannot be a “good kid” or an “excellent role model” when you use your fame to promote and advance despicable views. Let Vick star in commercials advocating dog fighting and you can begin to put them in the same sentence. And “sincerely religious” is most certainly not something i consider a good quality.
Of course not. But I’ve seen no evidence he’s not sincere, and a lot of evidence to indicate he is. So I’ll err on the side of the evidence.
So in other words, people that disagree with you suck. Brilliant.
People who promote evil views suck, yes.
He didn’t promote an evil view in the Super Bowl ad; at worst, he basically said “try not to have an abortion”. I don’t think anyone really has a problem with that; even the most fanatically pro-choice people, myself included, don’t think abortion should be everyone’s first option.