People would make love and not war?
What the fuck kind of movie theaters are you going to?
I would have my family duck out of sight and scramble the fuck out of there and I would do the same. If the gunman already knows where I am and I stay put waiting for an optimal shooting solution, I’m dead.
I don’t understand how taking a bead and shooting him back, even from a concealed place, is going to somehow save my life. Ok, so the man is shooting an assault rifle into the crowd. I draw my handy-dandy beretta and shoot back. A number of things are going to happen:
- I miraculously shoot him in the head. He dies. YAY! It would HAVE be a freakin miracle, though, and other people have already stated why…I mean, people are stampeding toward the exit, probably stepping on me as they go, screaming, yelling, panic…and that’s IF they don’t grab the gun from me and administer a no-holds barred beatdown.
- I shoot him in the arm or the body, maybe incapacitating him, maybe not. If he is not, he immediately turns the gun on me.
- I miss entirely. He immediately turns the gun on me.
Are those seats in the theatre going to stop the hail of bullets? Have I done anything except gotten myself killed (and maybe my family, if they are close by) by waving my non-existent dick? You do know one bullet doesn’t always kill people?
Add to this the fellow had armor. So, even if I am the most amazing shot ever, most likely I am not going to hit him in the head, I am going to hit him in center of mass* and he will just shoot me dead.
*Honestly the times I have been target shooting, and in video games? I tend to aim for the crotch. :embarrassed:
“Thank you and welcome to the Movietime CinemaPlex 30! For the comfort and enjoyment of all patrons, please remember to silence your cell phones and refrain from talking during our feature film! Also, please make sure that the target you’re aiming at in the dark is the bad guy and not one of the 200 other good guys trying to figure out who the bad guy is!”
Does anyone know what what legal consequences there would be if someone started shooting back? Would it be different between if it was a civilian or an off duty law enforcement officer? I assume there would be legal consequences if wannabe Dirty Harry starts shooting back and hit or kills an innocent bystander, but would there also be reckless endangerment charges if Harry starts shooting and hits no one?
Nuts. Shakespeare himself used “From whence” from time to time, still doesn’t make it right.
Porn.
You might want to be careful arguing with him-we don’t know whether or not he’s an armed hijacker.
I think we should stop referring to guys like Morgenstern and other tough guys talking about this tragedy as Dirty Harrys. It’s an insult to Clint Eastwood.
Call them either Paul Reubens or Fred Willards, since they’re clearly masturbating in a movie theater.
What I want to know is how he came in the fire exit. Aren’t those supposed to be locked from the outside?
Thanks, now I’ll never be able to get on a plane again.
Which is exactly what I’ve been saying. Except for one thing. Just before the “I’m dead” I’ll take a shot at him and hope he’s the one who dies.
So now we’re not in a Tom Clancy shooter, but a turn-based strategy game.
What about all those other “Sticklers” that just got put on the list, too?
According to Joe (my coworker) it would be involuntary manslaughter if you killed someone, and reckless endangerment if you wounded someone or were shooting but didn’t hit anyone. (wouldn’t matter if it was a civilian or an off-duty LEO)
And that’s another reason why the police would not be happy: they’d have to round up everyone who was shooting, haul them to the station, confiscate their weapons, and check to see if they matched up to bullets found in the victims or at the scene. It would chew up a lot of time and manpower that could better be used on the “real” crime.
Apparently, he entered the theater, opened the exit, went outside, dressed in his battle gear, and came back in through the blocked open door. People who watched it reported thinking it might be part of the movie premiere. So, obviously he was visible to some degree.
Can’t remember where I saw it, but apparently he came in with the rest of the crowd and sneaked out the fire door, propping it open so he could get back in with the weapons he had stashed in his car.
“Best to run the fuck away
and live to run another day.”
Hell yes, I’m a coward.
No one has argued it isn’t. Returning fire was always presented as a last option when the run part wasn’t possible.