- Yes, if the conversion is according to Halacha.
- No, if the conversion is according to Halacha.
- It is not exactly the same, since becoming Jewish involves a religious conversion, but it is similar in that you can become French. You learn French language, French culture, French cuisine etc. and you blend in. It probably would require just as much effort as becoming a Jew, but yes, you can become French.
But there is still a religious distinction, which is a big difference. You can become French (in that sense) regardless of religion. There is no special citizenship category similar to Arab Israeli.
I don’t understand that “special citizenship category” comment. What category?
An Arab Israeli is a citizen. Just as there can be an Arab citizen of France. How does that contradict the “Israel is a Jewish state” and “France is a French state” thing?
You’re still comparing apples and oranges. To the extent that “French” and “German” are ethnicities, the equivalent remains “Israeli”. The fact that the Venn diagram for “Israeli” and “Jewish” would place one circle almost entirely inside the other does not mean that they are interchangable for the purpose of this comparison. One can be Israeli without being Jewish, and vice versa.
Be sure to recycle that barrel of well poison when you’re done emptying it.
Incorrect. As demonstrated by the fact that “France is a French state” and “Israel is a Jewish state” are sentences that make sense, while “Israel is an Israeli state” is a tautology.
Only Jews are considered nationals regardless of citizenship or birth country.
Again, no idea what you’re talking about. What is “nationals”?
It’s basically a separate but equal status, the de facto law that would be enshrined by the Nation State law they want to pass. Military exemption, law of return, separate school system and other govt services and allocations, etc. It’s different from other democratic countries.
“Military exemption” - Arab citizens of Israel are not required to serve in the army. They still (and quite a few do) volunteer. If you think that’s a negative, they would disagree.
“Law of return” - does not apply to Israeli citizens, whether Jews or Arabs. You knew that, right?
Separate school system - that’s what Arab Israelis want and get. They want different curriculum from Jewish schools. I am sure if they expressed a desire to integrate into Jewish school system, that could be arranged.
Totally prefer their status, unless those liberal agitators get them all riled up! The good ones know their place and don’t get all uppity!
Should be “They still can (and quite a few do) volunteer.”
I honestly have no idea how “France is a French state” is not also tautological. France is full of French people, who are French because they live in France. Israel is full of Israelis, who are Israelis because they live in Israel.
No, they are not “French because they live in France”. “French” is an ethnicity. So is “Jew”. “Israeli” is a citizenship. Not an ethnicity.
Why are Basque Basque? Because they live… where? If they live in the US, do they stop being Basque?
Better not. There’s a Basque community in, of all places, Nevada. They think of themselves as “Basque”.
Terr is being cagey about this. He knows what I’m talking about.
French is an ethnicity, but it is also a nationality, regardless of ethnicity, right?
In Israel, the Supreme Court has ruled that there is no such thing as an Israeli nationality. Your nationality is defined by your ethnicity, e.g., Jewish, Arab, Druze, etc.
Jerusalem court rejects Israel nationality petition
Israel is a Jewish state, therefore only Jews are “nationals”, regardless of citizenship or place of birth.
Again, I have no idea what you think the noun “national” means.
Yes. But in the sentence “France is French”, the “French” is ethnicity. If it was nationality, the sentence would be tautological. France is an ethnic state - namely, a French state. Israel is an ethnic state - namely, a Jewish state.
Substitute the word “ethnicity” for “nationality” and you would be right. The confusion comes from the translation of the Hebrew word “leom”. It’s the same with the Russian word “национальность” - the passport designation in Soviet Union (not sure about modern Russia). Even though it looks like “nationality” it means “ethnicity”.
You tell me what you think it means. What is your nationality?
I was born in the US. I am a Jew. What is my nationality?
Dual. I have two citizenships. US and Israeli.
American.
There is no Israeli nationality. That’s my point. Your nationality in Israel is Jewish.